The government, however, has said the bill does not ban end-to-end encryption.
Instead it will require companies to take action to stop child abuse on their platforms and as a last resort develop technology to scan encrypted messages, it has said.
Tech companies have said scanning messages and end-to-end encryption are fundamentally incompatible.
Jesus Christ how staggeringly incompetent is the national government that no tech ceo can find a way to explain to them there is no way to govern content without having access to it via a known backdoor, which very plainly is to fundamentally break encryption.
Let’s propose a bill that forces them to find a way to invent a flashable laser beam that scans for government corruption that happens behind closed doors, even private residences, and if they miss anything, the entire cabinet will be fined and must legally be fired before next election.
You see the bill doesn’t make you responsible for all corruption in every back alley everywhere, only for not immediately detecting and stopping it before it takes hold, in any shape or form not currently possible.
Fucking morons. Don’t we decide who is smart enough to be voted into government? These people are the best we can come up with? This what I think people mean when they say voting is pointless.
I think the idea behind these kinds of laws isn’t so much the stated intent, which as far as I can tell is basically unenforceable, but to introduce a ton of extremely vague laws that could apply to almost anything you do online, which they can then use selectively against whoever they feel like.
Yes. And that’s worse.
Jesus Christ how staggeringly incompetent is the national government that no tech ceo can find a way to explain to them there is no way to govern content without having access to it via a backdoor, which is to fundamentally break encryption.
Pretty sure they know that it’s not possible without breaking encryption. They just want to blame the tech companies because their bill ‘doesn’t demand it’.
yeah, exactly. and therefore reinforcing my viewpoint that politicians are the the lowest layer of tarred scum pasted to the bottom of Mariana’s trench. willing to destroy something as important as encryption, while still wanting to find a way to word it to the gullible public so that they can weasel out of the responsibility, and blame the people who did a good thing by providing encryption services to the vulnerable masses, for causing child abuse and other things that are terrible yet unrelated to the encryption issue.
This government is the result of multiple votes of no confidence and they somehow get worse each time.
I feel what you are saying, but tech ceos explaining governments things is the problem. I do agree with the rest of what you said.
“scan encrypted messages” is an oxymoron
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I think we’re now seeing what happens when the rich have too much control and people continue to let it happen.
People talk about free countries but is there any country left that isn’t working flat out on decimating peoples freedom at an alarming rate?
Free speech, Wage theft, the car you drive, the way people who don’t, or can’t work are alienated… even the way people vote are all used to divide people and make it easier to take away peoples freedoms!
It really is utterly disgusting whats going on but as we see in Wales, Labour is an even shittier, controlling party! 😞
the sad thing is that here in the states it’s not the rich, its the traditionally working class parties that drive these types of rights snatching bills. at some point being a liberal became less about helping people being opressed by having a strong government to even the playing field and help them than about making sure everybody is up to date on the right terminology while having a strong government empowered by these large corporations to exploit our data instead of using them to keep the powers in check.
all for the children, of course. all these bills love to hide behind either the idea of national security under threat, or innocent children being harmed. well, secure and private communications are more important than swimming pools, which causes more harm to children, so if you’re going to ban encryption, ban swimming pools first, you fucking hypocrites.
In the end faulty security always gives edge to the stronger and more malicious side.
So if you want to protect the weak and allow people to defend themselves, you’d want such mechanisms to not be rigged for any abstract noble goal, because otherwise you are going to get fucked very practically.
it just doesn’t make sense. are they asking tech companies to generate encryption keys server side, store them, and then send them over a network to and end user device? because that is not at all how encryption works. is there not one person in the cabinet that’s not a complete fucking dinosaur?
now that the government separated the UK from the EU they should put propellers up their asses and push their pathetic island between russia and china if they wanna pass laws like that
Britons again with the most draconian laws you can possibly imagine. That wretched island has been nothing but a pile of the worst things and ideas humanity has to offer, and still it’s the “bastion of freedom” and part of the “free west”.
What a joke. At least free software alternatives that make sense and can provide anonymity and privacy could possibly be free from such a backdoor, like SimpleX or something else.
Well I wish best of luck to all Britons so that they may be safe. Especially trans people…
Sometimes I feel like the UK is the West’s testing ground for all their worst ideas. Dump it in there, see what happens, then roll it out everywhere else.
It’s the Orwellian fascism dev environment there, rolling out all the new privacy-killing tech and policy to squash the boot down on Britons a little farther each day. While the snoopers in the US and Australia watch with baited breath to see how much they will tolerate.
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Truly the UK is the worst nation.
- A Brit
“Hold my beer.”: The USA about to reelect Trump.
It’s admittedly a very long shot, but just the thought that the USA might be about to find out the answer to the question “Can a president be elected, then lose an election, then plot to overturn the results of that election, then fail, then be legitimately re-elected once again, then go to prison for trying to overturn the previous election, and then pardon themselves from within prison?” is utterly wild to me.
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Trump will go away in at most 4 years even IF he get’s elected. This law will exist forever and will only be enforced against undesirables.
Oh, you know he’ll try to find a way to be president for life. And half the media will support it.
Cool. A Trump dictatorship would be just the shot-in-the-arm that our gerontocracy needs when he dies in 2026.
If that’s what you care about we have lost.
I’m VPN’ing outa here 🤷♂️
Vpns rely on encryption, which this bill will undermine.
Only if the VPN provider follows the advice in the bill. I imagine there will be a lot of VPN providers that won’t give a sh!t what the U.K. government say.
I think companies like Proton & Mullvad will stand their ground.
Did they?
I feel like this is yet another don quixote versus the windmills thing.
SSL, TLS, SSH, just a few protocols that float the internet don’t support any of the crap that the UK government wants, nor can they.
So either the entire world spends 10 years building a completely new internet based on new protocols that will be abused within 2 weeks, just because UK politicians are retarded, or… well, I guess the UK will just have to cut their country off of the Internet, a brexit, if you will. I heard those work really well too.
It doesn’t work like they want.
Coming soon to EU, probably.
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Thankfully outdated but keeps coming back to the parliament/commission every now and then. Someone should just kill it already, I mean it’s pretty obvious it’s in direct contradiction with Article 7 of the Fundamental Rights Charter of the EU
The article is old, yes, the first one from a search engine. If you have a source for saying it’s not in the works anymore, I’d be glad to see it. Not saying you’re wrong.
Just this month there was a statement from FiCom (finnish organization advancing IT businesses’ interests) urging our government to not accept the bill, so to me it seems it’s just under development.
Looks like Spain is still trying to revive this but so far it’s a proposal to start a discussion on whether it should be introduced, so still far from actually becoming law. Like I said, keeps haunting us every now and then.
not my king
No Gods, No Masters.
I was confused why king for some time. Forgot she went skinwalking.
Hey, didn’t I have 50.000 ony bank account? It’s empty!
No, you logged in and transferred it all to some Russian account.
what do you mean I have child porn images in my files? I don’t have those
Now you do after your ex working at obs put them there for you
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So so so so so many ways that this WILL be abused to death. Meanwhile actual criminals will continue using secure encryption protocols, good luck with that.
i praise the kids of great britain and the colonies for making uk leave the eu. may they have tea, biscuits, a broken economy and no privacy.
A touch harsh, but possibly accurate. I’m still furious that we have people who still think it was a good idea. Those people blame the imoact of Brexit on the poor handful of people arriving here as migrants. Then double down by saying thar if it hadn’t of been for the migrants, they wouldn’t have voted Brexit. Sorry, rant over.
have you watched “ThisIsMert” on youtube about brexit? you should watch one of his brexit episodes. really.
I mean it was the grandparents not the kids. If we had the same vote today, no new voters, no one changed their vote, it would be REMAIN, as enough LEAVE voters have died in the interim to swing the vote in the other direction.
We really need some kind of FOSS encryption service that can’t just be compromised like that.
🤔 Do you think they could force devs to fork over private keys to blockchains like Bitcoin?
Its called end to end encryption
I know. I am worried that the UK government could force devs to hand over the private keys to those end-to-end encryption apps under this new law.
I would hope no corporation would actually obey something so insane.
A good messaging application won’t have keys they can hand over. It should be Foss and have the keys stored by the user
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It was an app glitch. Didn’t do it on purpose. Removed duplicate.
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Yes because Jerboa is a glitchy piece of shit and at first it appeared to be a legitimately different thread. Lemmy is still glitchy af in general. Combine that with Jerboa and it’s all fucked up
Regardless, yes, it was my bad. If you wanna keep berating me about it go ahead but idk what you wnt me to say?
