• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    12 hours ago

    If any Swedes are here, I’m American and I support this idea. It’s a necessary and proper response to an absolutely insane government, voted into power by people divorced from reality. I genuinely welcome your efforts to reintroduce it to my imbecillic countrymen.

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      From someone that is in Sweden; it’s not as good as you might think it is. Sweden has together with the rest of the European countries started to militarize aggressively but without any factual threat. There is no talk about deescalation and focus on resolving the Ukraine war with diplomacy. Jeffrey Sachs among many prominent intellectual geopoliticians have long advocated for a peaceful solution. Even though USA has started dialogue with Russia, the European Commission is hellbent with to continue sponsoring a proxy war.

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        Sorry my friend, but if you believe there’s a peaceful solution, you’re either fooling yourself, or you’re a Russian plant.

        Russia needs to be attacked outright by Europe. They have already subverted the American government without even firing a shot. You bet your ass they have the same plan for us.

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        Only one country has attacked Finland in the last 100 years and it wasn’t Sweden. And that country did it TWICE.

        That’s why we militarise.

        The only way to de-escalate with Russia is to beat them so hard that they surrender.

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        The only peaceful solution in the Russian invasion of Ukraine is if Russia leaves Ukraine. That’s the ONLY peaceful solution. And that’s not bloody likely to happen.

        Anything else needs a militarized Europe.

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        There IS a factual threat. There should NOT be de-escalation in Ukraine. The way forward is through, not retreat, not capitulation to an expansionist despot. Do not use the US as a positive example here - that’s an insult to sane Americans as well as your fellow Europeans. You can be better than that.

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          This is actually the only misguided responses that Reddit is full of. The so called Russian threat against Sweden or other countries is an hoax that started with the us war propaganda. To neglect that militarization only escalates the current situation and to all of a sudden care so much about Ukraine,when the only dead ones are Ukrainians and Russian soldiers, while Scandinavians are sitting on the side line and pouring military aid…….that’s plain inhumane. You are welcome to supply any evidence of Russian invasion of Sweden.

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            You are welcome to supply any evidence of Russian invasion of Sweden.

            Sure, shall we start with an entire building in the middle of Sweden’s capital occupied by the russian government for some 20 years by now?

            https://www.thelocal.se/20140327/controversial-sale-of-russian-house-in-stockholm-falls-through

            I’ll keep em coming as long as you respond properly with actual debunking and not russki propaganda lines, but you wont, cause you cant, comrade buddy.

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              Redditors everywhere.this is why I can’t stand Reddit. No constructive discussion, and most have no understanding of the implications of war

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                There is no constructive discussion with bad faith actors like you. Go away, you are not welcome here.

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                If you let the invaders win, how do you think the future will look? They will look around and go for more. Giving Russia what they want is not the way.

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                Idiot. And new user for less than a day. And no clue about Russia’s history and hatred of NATO. Maybe talk to your neighbors across the Black Sea about the “nonexistent” Russian threat. Are you really stupid enough to think a 1 country buffer makes Russia a zero threat?

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        It’s no use, people here are cheering for increased militarization and to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. Any other approach is labeled as sympathy for Russia.

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          I beleive the Ukrainian government said something along the lines of “we’re willing to negotiate as long as there are assurances of support should Russia resume invading” and were told they would get no auch assurance from the US…

          So is your positon

          a) european countries should put boots on the ground

          b) a country should stop their defence with no 3rd party guarantees of protection should promises get broken

          c) something else?