cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/6853479

mastodon.art has decided to suspend firefish.social from their instance due to issues with its administrator. The administrator of firefish.social was found to be boosting posts from a known harasser on another instance. mastodon.art takes a firm stance against racism and suspending full instances in these situations is part of their policy as a safe space. The known harasser has a history of using slurs, harassment, and editing screenshots to spread misinformation. However, the administrator of firefish.social has now forged a screenshot to paint mastodon.art in a negative light.

  • WarmSoda@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    How is it an issue to be faced? It’s an advantage of how the fediverse is built.

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      1 year ago

      It can force those who disagree with defederating to find a new instance that has access to all the communities they want. It also makes onboarding new people significantly more complicated, as their choice of instance will drastically influence their feed.

      To be clear, I’m not arguing against defederation, just pointing out that it causes issues that need dealt with.

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        1 year ago

        those aren’t issues, they’re features.

        your instance should be curated in a way you agree with. new users should always understand what they’re signing up for.

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          But what happens (as did recently) when instances change direction? What happens (as did last year) where one instance admin had the wrong contact details for another so a message didn’t get through and ended up with an instance blocked and defederated for no good reason. What happens when an admin has an episode and gets in an argument that results in tit for tat blocks.

          How can any new user know this might happen? How can they know what they are signing up for when descriptions are so brief?

          Defederation is a good thing but unfortunately the people are human and fallible.

          • YourHeroes4Ghosts@beehaw.org
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            1 year ago

            You can always set up your own instance if you are disturbed by the actions of admins on instances that you have joined.

            Alternatively, if the instance you are on changes direction, you can easily find a new one. It literally took me about half an hour after I learned about the Fediverse to get myself set up on several instances, then later on I decided which I preferred. But I didn’t delete the other accounts- they’re still there in case I want them someday.

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              But what happens if the instance you are on is defederated through no fault of your own. As has already happened, even not through the fault of the instance admin but another instance making a mistake and adding it to a block list.

              There isn’t an easy way to migrate everything to a new instance. And the migration options we do have a a bit buggy.

              Perhaps people have seen the survey of ex-mastodon users? It really brings out that federation is simultaneously an advantage and a problem.

              At the moment, it looks like the only solution is to have multiple accounts and when you do it’s starkly evident that there’s content that you miss because of federation issues

              • YourHeroes4Ghosts@beehaw.org
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                I think the issue is that your are expecting a perfectly seamless, Reddit-like experience, with all the admin work done for you but also always done to your satisfaction. That isn’t what the Fediverse is about. It’s more of a DIY ethic than a “The admins suck but this is all we have” like on Reddit.

                I’m also not sure what you’d need to “migrate” to a new instance other than yourself. Karma isn’t super relevant here.

                My main account is on Beehaw, which has very rightfully defederated with some other instances. When I log in using accounts on other instances, I don’t see a massive amount of missed content. In fact I’ve seen so little of interest that I’ve stopped looking, it’s not worth my time.