That would be a TON of writing, which nobody would read. Thanks for pointing that out, as with anything, these are my opinions and I hope you form your own as well. My opinions aren’t perfect, and none of these companies are outright “good” or “bad”.
Their immobilizer issues (also see the fire issues with the Telluride and Palisade), are definitely a pretty dark mark on them recently, and I can’t account for every individual’s. It sounds like your views towards them are entirely justified, my main reasons (I have this above in more detail) for supporting them are because I’ve always gotten utterly exceptional customer support from them (again things vary), but primarily because they’ve been a leader in electrication, they continue to make smaller vehicles and not road hogging mega-SUVs only, and all around are making very good products right now despite some issues.
I think there’s a definite media/perspective bias with vehicle manufacturers, for example Toyota is on my naughty list which would probably surprise alot of people, but they have had some of the largest (and indeed the very largest) vehicle recalls in automotive history in the last 10 years, some causing death and injury (see floormat recalls, Takata airbags, etc.) and yet they have so much hush money and such a “good reliable brand” reputation that nobody seems to care.
Hyundai (like alot of Korean companies, coughsamsungcough) has pretty heavy ties and influence over the government which is also kinda sketch, but perhaps you’re right and maybe they better deserve to be in just a neutral category for myself.
I won’t tell you to get the fuck outta here for your differing views on Hyundai, but as I noted, none of these companies are perfect and their recalls and issues with this pale in comparison to those recently with Toyota for example, as much as I know this has personally harmed you directly.
Recalls are not a problem by themselves- much better to address an issue directly than to just let it burn (no pun intended).
Hyundai/Kia also has a long list of problems that should not be ignored. On top of them skimping on immobilizers, they’ve done everything possible to avoid making it right. First they avoided even acknowledging the issue. They took forever to issue a software update to address it. They announced a solution where you, the victim of their shoddy designs, could buy (at a very healthy profit) a product to protect yourself. Under pressure from numerous lawsuits, they started giving out “The Club”, which was peak 1980s anti-theft technology. But they did so in the absolute worst possible way - in an incomprehensible patchwork of local police departments.
Their fire issues are multiple. In addition to the one you mentioned (22V-633 / 22V-626), there’s also 23V-651000 / 23V-652000, 21V-160 / 21V-161, 21V-137, 22V-056, and 22V-810000. While there is a lot of overlap in these, there are also multiple distinct issues. This also doesn’t even address the repeated battery fires, since that seems to affect all EV brands.
You mention Takata airbags, which is an odd detail- Takata just issued another recall. This one affects nearly all brands, except Hyundai/Kia.
Then there’s the critical issue of their datamining. Kia explicitly states that they collect and sell data on your sex life, genetic information, religious or philosophical beliefs, and the contents of your text messages.
I’m not here to defend Toyota; they certainly have their own list of problems. But I am going to say that Hyundai/Kia is not the solution.
I wasn’t aware of the datamining, I know this is something other brands are doing as well (I believe Ford and Tesla had stories that come to mind. Thanks for the extra info on the immobilizer issues, they might well be off my good list here. I agree, a recall that is well handled isn’t bad in and of itself, but repeated recalls shows carelessness, particularly when it isn’t done voluntarily by the company but rather due to legal matters.
My only issue with the great information you have above is the fact that while battery fires do happen with EV’s rates of fires in ICE vehicles is magnitudes higher than with EV’s and this is fairly well documented (which you didn’t directly say, but seemed to be implied) here’s a link at any rate that’s decently cited https://core.verisk.com/Insights/Emerging-Issues/Articles/2023/August/Week-4/Electric-Vehicle-Fire-Risk but maybe I read into what you wrote wrong. Thanks for the extra information!
That would be a TON of writing, which nobody would read. Thanks for pointing that out, as with anything, these are my opinions and I hope you form your own as well. My opinions aren’t perfect, and none of these companies are outright “good” or “bad”.
Their immobilizer issues (also see the fire issues with the Telluride and Palisade), are definitely a pretty dark mark on them recently, and I can’t account for every individual’s. It sounds like your views towards them are entirely justified, my main reasons (I have this above in more detail) for supporting them are because I’ve always gotten utterly exceptional customer support from them (again things vary), but primarily because they’ve been a leader in electrication, they continue to make smaller vehicles and not road hogging mega-SUVs only, and all around are making very good products right now despite some issues.
I think there’s a definite media/perspective bias with vehicle manufacturers, for example Toyota is on my naughty list which would probably surprise alot of people, but they have had some of the largest (and indeed the very largest) vehicle recalls in automotive history in the last 10 years, some causing death and injury (see floormat recalls, Takata airbags, etc.) and yet they have so much hush money and such a “good reliable brand” reputation that nobody seems to care.
Hyundai (like alot of Korean companies, coughsamsungcough) has pretty heavy ties and influence over the government which is also kinda sketch, but perhaps you’re right and maybe they better deserve to be in just a neutral category for myself.
I won’t tell you to get the fuck outta here for your differing views on Hyundai, but as I noted, none of these companies are perfect and their recalls and issues with this pale in comparison to those recently with Toyota for example, as much as I know this has personally harmed you directly.
Recalls are not a problem by themselves- much better to address an issue directly than to just let it burn (no pun intended).
Hyundai/Kia also has a long list of problems that should not be ignored. On top of them skimping on immobilizers, they’ve done everything possible to avoid making it right. First they avoided even acknowledging the issue. They took forever to issue a software update to address it. They announced a solution where you, the victim of their shoddy designs, could buy (at a very healthy profit) a product to protect yourself. Under pressure from numerous lawsuits, they started giving out “The Club”, which was peak 1980s anti-theft technology. But they did so in the absolute worst possible way - in an incomprehensible patchwork of local police departments.
Their fire issues are multiple. In addition to the one you mentioned (22V-633 / 22V-626), there’s also 23V-651000 / 23V-652000, 21V-160 / 21V-161, 21V-137, 22V-056, and 22V-810000. While there is a lot of overlap in these, there are also multiple distinct issues. This also doesn’t even address the repeated battery fires, since that seems to affect all EV brands.
You mention Takata airbags, which is an odd detail- Takata just issued another recall. This one affects nearly all brands, except Hyundai/Kia.
Then there’s the critical issue of their datamining. Kia explicitly states that they collect and sell data on your sex life, genetic information, religious or philosophical beliefs, and the contents of your text messages.
I’m not here to defend Toyota; they certainly have their own list of problems. But I am going to say that Hyundai/Kia is not the solution.
I wasn’t aware of the datamining, I know this is something other brands are doing as well (I believe Ford and Tesla had stories that come to mind. Thanks for the extra info on the immobilizer issues, they might well be off my good list here. I agree, a recall that is well handled isn’t bad in and of itself, but repeated recalls shows carelessness, particularly when it isn’t done voluntarily by the company but rather due to legal matters.
My only issue with the great information you have above is the fact that while battery fires do happen with EV’s rates of fires in ICE vehicles is magnitudes higher than with EV’s and this is fairly well documented (which you didn’t directly say, but seemed to be implied) here’s a link at any rate that’s decently cited https://core.verisk.com/Insights/Emerging-Issues/Articles/2023/August/Week-4/Electric-Vehicle-Fire-Risk but maybe I read into what you wrote wrong. Thanks for the extra information!