ADL is including pro-Palestine protests in count of “antisemitic” incidents
I can’t find that anywhere in the article. Why use that for a title? The article states ADL is including ‘rallies that feature “anti-Zionist chants and slogans",’. Which is understandable; That’s their job. But pro-Palestinian isn’t inherently anti-Zionist and conflating the two is disingenuous.
They’re talking about “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” They routinely malign this call for freedom as “antisemitic,” and I haven’t been to one where this hasn’t been said. It’s part of their effort to conflate these things, not me being disingenuous.
So, uh, if you have a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” where do the Jews (who were born and raised in Israel, and who have no other homes) go? It’s not a call for freedom, it’s not a call for a ceasefire, it’s not a call for Israel to withdraw its settlers from the West Bank, it’s not a call for a two-state solution, it’s a call for a repeat Holocaust.
Where did the whites go when the Apartheid government fell in South Africa? Most of them stayed, and despite truly believing they would all be murdered if non-whites were given equal right,s they shockingly weren’t. I’m from the American South. The end of slavery was not the end of “Southern Culture,” the end of segregation was not the end of Southern culture, and even the popular distaste for KKK violence didn’t end anything that shouldn’t have ended. Palestinians aren’t monsters, and have more to fear in an equal state that current Israelis would.
No, it is not. You can look up the one state solution. At this point it’s inevitable, just a matter of how much grief we put ourselves through to get there.
Israel exists to create a safe place for Jews. In a democratic one state solution jews would be in the minority in Israel so it would no longer be a safe haven for them, Israel would effectively no longer exist.
Also, the sheer amount of hatred between the two groups means that a one-state solution (even if it could be willed into existence without violence) would be, at best, highly volatile.
No. But that does not make a one-state solution feasible. Neither side would be willing to agree to it, and even if you could force it, the new state would violently implode the second you remove that external force.
Just as a possible counterpoint to this: Lebanon has been highly divided by sectarian conflicts, mainly between Christians and Muslims, but has managed to stay a cohesive state since its founding in the 40s.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t point to Lebanon as some beacon of stability or good governance. But despite decades of problems, including a long civil war, Lebanon’s government and civilian population still exist without a major external power forcing them to stay as a single cohesive state.
If they can do that, maybe a one-state solution for Palestine and Israel isn’t completely unworkable. If nothing else it sure seems like an improvement over the current situation.
I can’t find that anywhere in the article. Why use that for a title? The article states ADL is including ‘rallies that feature “anti-Zionist chants and slogans",’. Which is understandable; That’s their job. But pro-Palestinian isn’t inherently anti-Zionist and conflating the two is disingenuous.
They’re talking about “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” They routinely malign this call for freedom as “antisemitic,” and I haven’t been to one where this hasn’t been said. It’s part of their effort to conflate these things, not me being disingenuous.
So, uh, if you have a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” where do the Jews (who were born and raised in Israel, and who have no other homes) go? It’s not a call for freedom, it’s not a call for a ceasefire, it’s not a call for Israel to withdraw its settlers from the West Bank, it’s not a call for a two-state solution, it’s a call for a repeat Holocaust.
Where did the whites go when the Apartheid government fell in South Africa? Most of them stayed, and despite truly believing they would all be murdered if non-whites were given equal right,s they shockingly weren’t. I’m from the American South. The end of slavery was not the end of “Southern Culture,” the end of segregation was not the end of Southern culture, and even the popular distaste for KKK violence didn’t end anything that shouldn’t have ended. Palestinians aren’t monsters, and have more to fear in an equal state that current Israelis would.
No, it is not. You can look up the one state solution. At this point it’s inevitable, just a matter of how much grief we put ourselves through to get there.
Israel exists to create a safe place for Jews. In a democratic one state solution jews would be in the minority in Israel so it would no longer be a safe haven for them, Israel would effectively no longer exist.
Also, the sheer amount of hatred between the two groups means that a one-state solution (even if it could be willed into existence without violence) would be, at best, highly volatile.
Are we to pretend things are not “highly volatile?”
No. But that does not make a one-state solution feasible. Neither side would be willing to agree to it, and even if you could force it, the new state would violently implode the second you remove that external force.
Just as a possible counterpoint to this: Lebanon has been highly divided by sectarian conflicts, mainly between Christians and Muslims, but has managed to stay a cohesive state since its founding in the 40s.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t point to Lebanon as some beacon of stability or good governance. But despite decades of problems, including a long civil war, Lebanon’s government and civilian population still exist without a major external power forcing them to stay as a single cohesive state.
If they can do that, maybe a one-state solution for Palestine and Israel isn’t completely unworkable. If nothing else it sure seems like an improvement over the current situation.