Its a pretty safe bet to assume any animal that relies on eating other animals for their food source always has the capacity to get hungry enough to make an attempt at eating any other animal on the planet, if it can find one, to fill the hunger void.
Really, thats not what the Streisand effect means? So you cant make the leap from a definition specific to withholding information causing the opposite effects than what was originally intended to my use of the Streisand effect as a psychological reactance metaphor for how people respond to finding out they are having options withheld from them in place of information? Shit I admit I called out your shitty reading comprehension as a response to you calling me deranged before I even saw this comment. But fuck me this comment im replying to really puts your reading comprehension bug front and center and calls it a feature🤣
I mean for fucks sake you are still held on to my opinion being that im anti vax. So I guess you won. Ill throw in the towel cuz I cant put any more effort into explaining something to a person who admittedly isnt willing to put any effort into understanding what is even being discussed and refuses to engage in any way that isnt an insult followed by an admittance of not putting any effort into reading anything their provided with.
Yeah 4 paragraphs followed by an old repeating nursery rhyme verse is more reading comprehension than youve been able to display in any of your replies so I understand. Thanks for concluding with a personal attack by calling me deranged tho. It really shows your true colors when it comes to conversational tolerances. THIS CONVERSATION REQUIRES ME TO DO WORK AND USE READING COMPREHENSION?!? FUCK THAT IMA CALL THEM DERANGED AND THROWING IN THE TOWEL!!!
Would you say you have a stronger opinion towards vaccinations having made the decision yourself? As opposed to a hypothetical reality where you still dont remember getting the vaccinations but found out your parents did vaccinate you, would you still hold it in as high of regard as you do now? I think one of my relatives tried explaining it like leading a horse to water but not being able to make it drink.
Before cops started installing plate readers, people could drive without a license all the time as long as they weren’t pulled over. Despite there always existing legislation in every star that made it maditory to get a license in order to drive. Its not manditory for ever citizen to posses a photo id but they have made it a requirement for people to have an id if they choose to buy beer or cigs or spray paint or lighters or whipped cream etc. The result has been every person I know having some form of photo id while cops had to spend millions more installing plate reader to have the ability to enforce the law that every driver must have a valid license.
The generalized argument im relaying isnt that they dont want to be forced to get vaccines, their argument is that forcing people to do anything is an extremely ineffective means for getting conformity when there are more tried and proven means to accomplish better results without adding more legislative bandaids.
I also admit if this discussion was happening 10-15 years ago I dont think I would even be relaying these opinions because I did know antivaxers back then and all the way up to the pandemic. But once people realized the path for least resistance went thru the nurse administering covid vaccines in order to resume daily activities i can honestly say I haven’t heard of a single person still clutching to their antivax convictions.
So Ive already been asked this in this thread if you care to read my other replies. Or just lmk if you have but didnt see where this was addressed and ill find it to give you a tldr.
So why am I only left with accepting the two options you are giving me when I’ve explained you can fully support and trust vaccines while also not supporting or trusting your government’s ability to always mandate or ban things that would create new precedence which are the duct tape holding this 250 year old governing framework still together.
Trump mandates vaccines in his 1st term of an alternate reality. Biden wins. Trump part deux takes office after Biden, appoints a random crackhead who hunts bears deep in the thickets of Bronx and Queens. Now this mother fucker has legislative precedence to pass medical mandates.
This country is built on our government getting their foot in the door under a veil of good intentions but always ends up evicting and squatting in whatever door they had their foot in. What’s the longest streak youve ever seen of any political party holding subsequent terms in office and congressional control to where you are comfortable saying you do not fear it getting all fucked up the first chance Republicans get at fucking it up.
Anyone who says they were aware of the power the patriot act was giving to our government is a bold face liar. That shit passed all the way unilaterally without so much as a peep (I think iirc I dont think it was an executive order but ill have to look it up).
Last example is to ask how many democratic politicians who applauded the ACA forgot to mention that they allowed clauses that would allow states to decide if they want to drop coverage for citizens whenever congress decides to reduce its Medicaid funding? Did they all assume it’d never happen? Am I supposed trust every proposed legislation at face value and trust that no proposed legislation will ever have hidden clauses? (that isnt meant to come accross as implying I disagree with ACA, im type 1 diabetic who relies on it but cant think of a way to word this so it sounds more supportive without this added context)
Edit: do you not see the Streisand effect in real time? Each argument either of us provide isnt getting the other person any closer to conceding and if anything is causing me to get more and more defensive of opinions i basically started by relaying from hearsay after being curious but have now gotten to the point where I sound like im full on defending my own personal stake in this discussion like their my own opinions.
Ive also.never looked at a comment’s username so I didnt know every reply was yours. Again, my b.
Wow that is adding so much conjecture of my reply’s “attitude” lol. Ill re-read what i wrote in this thread but my intentions were to have an open discussion about mandating vaccines without the focus for not supporting mandating vaccines equal to being anti-vax. When 3 out of the 4 replies all avoided the discussion to focus on anti mandating being synonymous with antivax I wanted to adding as much context i could to bring it back to my initial anecdotal discussion. As for replying to the other person who shared a similar desire to go down with my sinking ship I just went with it and shared my experiences so far on lemmy as an outsider.
I did not intend to be abrasive in anything I wrote so I apologize but I will insist this was not intended to be taken as a “flip out” and certainly not with an “attitude of someone who was attacked mercilessly for expressing something entirely logical. Neither of which are true.”
Instead I give you an option 3, which is: Wicked bad adhd medicated with adderall and a pleasure found in written discussion being the only way I’ve found to truly layout rapid firing thought fragments that never slow never stop never rest into any logical form of a complete thought or argument or discussion.
Im not saying the written thought processes are universally regarded by all as being a logically formed complete thoughts by all. Im just saying compared to my normal thought workflow (with or without the adderall) I can sit in a holding cell for 3 days when they lost my inmate number after getting arrested for driving without a license so I sat there on a bench in a closet sized room for 3 days without any insulin muchless adderall, staring at a wall having a never ending discussion in my head but only can remember or retain whatever the dialoge in my head is saying at that moment but no memory of the previous thought processes that just occur3d or any ability to know where the thought processes are going because if I start thinking about where the thought processes are going then that is the new current thought and I lose any previous thoughts being had but when I try to remember them it replaces the thoughts I was having trying to figure out where I was going with…
Best way to visualize severe adult adhd is by picturing my thoughts like THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON MY FRIENDS SOME PEOPLE, STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS AMD THEYLL CONTINUE SINGING IT BECAUSE
I cant help that you are omitting all the key points of the discussion I opened up.
First being the freedom to make the decision themselves. I, for example, am one of the few who took the cig price hike as a cost of my freedom to pursue happiness. So I still smoke. 15 years ago if I was out of smokes I could ask any number of people to bum a smoke and would always find someone with a smoke. Now if I run out, im out till I get to a store to buy more.
The second point you are omitting for convenience is the freedom of choice combined with the effectiveness it has when people make a decision on their own accord. How well did prohibition work? How well has mandating age verification for porn worked out? How well did keeping marijuana classified as a schedule 3 narcotic worked?
Giving people the ability to make their own decisions while stacking the deck against the undesired option creates a path of least resistance for people to willingly choose the desired option creating a naturally less combative response.
Think of it this way, the DNC thought they were making the best decision for their chances at the oval office by actively derailing Bernie Sanders’ nomination campaign amd forcing Hillary in the role. The results were a divided party of democratic voters and Trump’s initial presidency.
Ok so this feels like justification for my experiences on lemmy arent exclusive to me and are actually evident to users other than me; in regards to how different my experiences on lemmy discussing most shit are compared to discussing shit with people in real life are?
Im not talking shit, its just something Ive noticed for a while and have put a ton of thought into. I mean Im fully aware this js very niche platform that appeals to anyone knowledgeable enough to program an application’s interface. While at the same time is very unappealing for everyone else in the world who hears API and their first thought is about one single private investigator.
Its been fascinating to observe as someone close to 40y/o who never sent or rcvd an email outside of schools/college homework until I was in my early 30s and got my first job as a desk jockey.
That domino fell, then buying a PC fell, followed by building a PC falling which happened a cunt hair before the current AMD sockets hit the market, which obviously forced my hand to immediately build my second PC in the same calender year, and all the remaining dominos fell that were standing between me being the last person to give up their flip phone and me consumed with learning everything there is to know about anything remotely related to technology.
So for me Lemmy has been my introduction to the same industry sized community all the computer nerds have buried their heads in their whole life. Which makes everything all the more interesting to me cuz I get to simultaneasly experience a very intimate sized community evolve while also being able to people watch 40,000 users interact almost daily and feel like im peering thru the looking glass observing it all feeling almost like an outsider or alien observing an isolated environment.
I feel like there are so many people here who have grown up surrounded by IT focused friends and groups that they dont even really notice how like minded a gathering of people with shared interests, shared industry employment, and shared educational fields actually are.
Totally not bitching about hivemind this or that but I’ve jumped industries enough to know the saying birds of a feather flock together is wild for how accurate it is.
I love everything about Lemmy but it does concern me how contagious sentiments can be here. Like I came following the reddit api scandal when shit was all bright eyed and bushy tailed. Then I started noticing it like a slow landslide consuming everything accross communities & instances, this unsettling mentality that everything sucks, the world is doomed, anyone who finds the silver lining in something is just wrong and/or stupid/nieve. Its not everyone obviously but its fuckin consuming and wildly contagious.
Again anecdotal to me but… as someone whose only source of news is lemmy, hasn’t had any social media accounts in over a decade, and has every other social interaction with other humans in person, in real life, in real time, with friends family buissness relations from accross all walks of life, tax brackets, industries from living everywhere from rural bum fuck nowhere to every block of my beautiful queen city Metropolitan neighborhoods… I feel like my adhd tendencies havedriven allowed me a clarity most people don’t have for avoiding getting consumed by the herd.
This being one of those exact situations and the first time anyone else has brought it up. I prefaced my comment saying im aware my input will be unpopular and I prefaced my comment in hopes the discussion wouldn’t get twisted into the only 2 black and white options discussed on the topic of vaccines. Either you want everyone to live or you are actively trying to kill everyone. I even gave real world examples that are unanimously regarded as being hugely successful as to why I understand where the unpopular penguin people are coming from. Those being the massively reduced number of nicotine addicted cig smokers and drastically increasing covid vaccinations in my area. Both without legislative mandates or prohibition. Taking every precaution to preserve the purpose of opening discussions by providing a preface that specifies the comment is anecdotal and that the people who hold these opinions are also ALL VACCINATED. Maybe I should’ve made it a bolder font or something cuz every other comment responding to mine is focused on not understanding how someone can decide to be willing to kill everyone, or about how they can justify hating america because they got there thru all the correct reasons.
The only complaint i have on this topic tho, is that I know there are users who agree with some of the shit I spew by means of the up and down votes but, and im only assuming, they vote without commenting because every comment that 100% conforms with Lemmy’s unified opinion gets all upvotes, no downvotes creating an atmosphere that makes it so difficult to discuss topics that might have the name Musk, or Trump, or Windows 11, or sports, or billionaires. -last tangent i swear- im sorry but I will die on the hill that Warren Buffet is a goddamn hero amongst men. I agree fuck the rest of the lot but dont shit on the only billionaire who has put money where his mouth is by using every cent he has every used towards political lobbying, or charitable contributions in support of raising taxes for the rich, strengthening resources for women and underprivileged groups, improving education, plus a list of other programs lemmy is in full support of. Plus he made every penny he is worth by investing according the operating integrity of a company and the current valuation of said company. He has been autisticly cool since before autism was being diagnosed.
Tldr: I wish more users discussed more topics in ways that are less black and white. There are no karma points, you wont lose a nut for discussing something you prolly will get ignored for or at worst downvoted over.
How do people keep finding that conclusion??? Did you miss the part where I said theyre all vaccinated? The argument is that governments have banned and mandated shit since the beginning of time with almost zero success. Its the Streisand effect, I think if im using that correctly. The surgeon general for every country of every modern generation has preached for people to quit smoking with little to no affect. What did work, tho? Making it so expensive and inconvenient to smoke that its a natural no brainer to quit. These arent people arguing that smoking is healthy, these were people aware of the risks, who were also all addicted to nicotine, who also, almost unanimously, decided to quit smoking in less than 5 years from the price of cigs going up and smoking in public restricted to designated areas.
The same thing happened with covid vaccines. I saw trumper after trumper proclaim they’ll never get a covid vaccine circa 2020ish. That same fuckin year they started making events require people to show their vaccine card in order to attend events of all sizes. You dont tell people they have to do something, you make it a requirement for them to participate in activities they normally would participate in. Swear to god for every Bills fan I knew preaching they’d never get a vaccine before the NFL required you to show proof of vaccine to attend games, by the time the season opener came around, every single person was vaccinated.
What are you calling “this generation”? Mellenials are the largest generation and span from like late 20’s to 40ish. Zoomers are graduating and entering the workforce. The generation younger than gen z (idk what their name is) are school aged and often the driving force behind what is and ist popular.
As a mellenial who considers RATM, Nirvana and 2pac as more gen x derived, id say the whole underground skateboard/snowboarding rap scene was the closest to those 3 bands when it comes to originality and music with a message. Off the top of my head I can think of Brother Ali, Atmosphere, Immortal Technique, Coremega, Jedi Mind Tricks
Less underground but still goats would be Nas, J.Cole, Eminem, Mac Miller, Jay Z. You cant name an artist more original than Lil Wayne with his whole never writing a single song down and saying whatever comes out of his mouth in the booth gets recorded.
As for bands, id go with, System of a Down, Jack White/White Stripes/Raconteurs/whatever other side projects Jack White has in the works, Green Day, American Idiot was pure blooded mellenial rebellion eventhough I would put them half in gen X (Dookie) and half in mellenial bucket (American Idiot). I was never an emo fan but My Chemical Romance’s Black Parade album is one of the best rock opera albums ever released.
If you are using Limp Biscuit as an example of taking over the radio kind of popularity then id have to go towards country artists like Swift, Toby Kieth, Eric Church etc. Country went from being the red headed bastard of all music genres to becoming the most widely listened to genre accross all demographics in less than a decade.
Notable mentions that didnt make the list for near misses or for being too generationally ambiguous:
I feel like this is a question entire music history courses are built off of. Especially being a mellenial, myself. All the generations before us could count music genres on one hand with subgenres not even a thing yet. And maybe im just old but I feel like the generation that has followed so far has completely checked out on making new music. I 100% admit I dont count EDM as meeting any definable characteristic of musical art. I mean I guess gen Z can have credit for the mellenial’s left over hip hop evolution with Kendrick, Chance, and … idk i guess mumble rap. I even looked up genZ musical artists and didnt find much else. Which isnt to say its bad but I certainly wouldn’t include it with the names being tossed around in my main comment to the question cuz they could all battle for a spot on music’s mount Rushmore of music lol.
Edit: I know im missing some big names but im not guna edit my list everytime kne pops in my head lol
I know ill get downvoted for this anecdotal comment but I dont know a single person who is against vaccination. At the same time I do know a couple people who are against making it mandatory despite themselves being vaccinated. Just a viewpoint I never see discussed on this topic because the talking point always seems to be either you are pro vaccines or against vaccines. I also admit I dont have any social media platforms, dont pay for cable or streaming services, and dont have kids. So my anecdotal input is based of the people I directly know and are in contact with regularly so take it with a grain of salt.
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Im pretty sure the op you replied to is hoping for the five-oh to start taking GPT’s advice to commit suicide… meaning they want dead cops not for cops to intervene. Not the classiest comment you replied to, which is why I think it woooooshed right over your head.
Na. Used throwaway email tied to nothing. Selected the options that applied to me. Left them a cordial “fuck you and the horse you rode in on” feedback letter in the message box and submitted. No verification needed. The only chance for defense is giving them a number they can measure of people who will switch devices if they continue to pursue dev verification.
Touché
What instance are you seeing right wingers under? They gotta be congregated together under one of the instances if you see them all the time and I dont see any. If that’s the case you can block entire instances or individual communities. I assume you knew that but incase anyone else doesnt.
You should work on reading comprehension and less on being edgy.
Huh? Where did you get the impression im offended? I literally said I’ve never seen a right wing comment on here in the entire time I’ve been on Lemmy. How did you get from that to me being offended?
I admit I dont follow religion centric news articles so excuse me if im way off base and that im basing this comment on the assumption a mjority of priests have stopped fucking kids. With that being said, i wish most governments put in the same efforts the Vatican seems to show in actively making changes to become more tolerant, progressive and modern. In the 15 to 20 years since the last catholic school kicked me out, I feel like the church has gone from the poster child for hating gays, hating safe sex, actively covering up all the kid fuckers, ignoring climate change and avoiding geopolitical conflicts; and has grown into a go earning body that acknowledges its past fuck ups, grew to include gays, seemingly stopped fucking kids, actively supports changes for climate control, and even calling out leaders for allowing a genocide to happen.
Im definitely not saying the people who follow the church are the dumbest most closed minded hateful fuckin people in the world. Im just commenting on the governing body I see for headlines of articles I have no interest in reading lol