Let’s not pretend Ukraine ultra echodot up there was articulating a pragmatic and neutral scenario. But if you do, you can also pretend to have entirely identical feelings on similar scenarios involving other players.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Russians would do that. Buuuut if a German aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Ukrainian airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Israelis would do that. Buuuut if a Spanish aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Palestinian airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Lebanese would do that. Buuuut if a US aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Israeli airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Iranians would do that. Buuuut if a Israeli aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in the Emirate’s airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Saudis would do that. Buuuut if a Iranian aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Yemeni airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the US-Americans would do that. Buuuut if a Russian aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Cuban airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Venezuelans would do that. Buuuut if a US aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Cuban airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the Chinese would do that. Buuuut if a US aircraft aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Taiwanese airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the French would do that. Buuuut if a Mali aircraft ended up colliding with a drone after being warned not to fly in Burkina Faso airspace, well then it’s just an unfortunate accident and it could have been avoided had they heeded the warning.

Or, you could admit that you make differences, depending on who’s who.

You declared (…) solely on the reason (…)

No, I declared you a prime example, because you were immediately using Whataboutism hinged on these three main adversaries (and none other), which only exist as a narrative because the US government declared them as such and you combined these name drops with western propaganda talking points in an attempt, and as the sole reason to comment at all, to discredit a well formulated critique of the US … on a post about the US committing war crimes. It’s like a learned behaviour.

listen to what Trump is saying about Putin.

Trump’s word isn’t gospel, his actions are

It’s getting confusing.
Russia is not “the only country he hasn’t placed tariffs on”, as the US actually has placed tariffs on Russia, as well as heavy sanctions. But you know, the importance of tariffs vanishes, if you can just sanction a country out of the market and into compliance, anyway? There’s also almost no tariffs on the DPRK or Cuba, because they are heavily sanctioned already. Namely secondary sanctions (which are against international law), that disallow other countries to trade with the sanctioned countries.

how he fought his own party to prevent sanctions being placed on Russia

Maybe it’s me, but I find this to be theatre. But maybe you can write down your actual thinking on how the overall dynamics work here., you sound like you’re heavily on the Krasnov theory.

Source Tariffs
Source Sanctions

Don’t fantasise about war crimes, just because you think you’re on the right team. It’s not that complicated.

With that kind of quality commentary you could make a career as mod on MoL.

(…) cartwheel through a series of sociopolitical facts that (…) are not actually saying anything

So, as you surely don’t want to end up not actually saying anything … what are the things that are facts, but also don’t mean anything and why do they not mean anything in the context of this conversation?

Since when is Trump’s word gospel? Also, who cares, if you’re US-American.

Of course, killing however many civilians is always just collateral, if the right side does it.

And by listing the three major US enemies (currently) in two comments, with reasoning provided by their very media apparatus, you’re the prime example on how the tighter control on media (and social media) actually affects the populace. Thanks for participating.

Curious, you are the very “folks on Lemmy (that) are basing their political understanding on vibes and what western corporate media tells them.”
If you’re unable to see, I’d suggest to do something against that. Maybe see a doctor, get a service dog or something.

I’m not sure what to tell you, that will satisfy you (there’s nothing, because you’re weird like that). You’re commenting that on a post about the Ukrainian president openly threatening to commit state terrorism, while you are also defending that by whatabouting with some weird ass “but they did it first” with questionable logic in another comment, merely reproducing western narratives.

I don’t think you understand the Russian POV, or that of any state outside the imperial core for that matter, because I don’t believe you even take these states seriously at all. All I see is chauvinism.

Beyond that, the rest of the world, outside of the western block, is not tightening any noose on Russia, quite the contrary, as they understand, that this is a proxy war and NATO is actively working to destroy the country for their own ambitions towards world domination since well over a decade now, using Ukraine as a battleground to do so.

To gain what exactly?

Ya, I think I answered that with my previous comment. Maybe read it again and try to understand its contents.

Which is in fact true, this is part of the US‘s pivot to Asia (since Obama). If you‘d care you could read about that stuff in their National Security Strategy papers, like the one from 2022 under Biden and from 2025 under Trump.

China is the main threat for western Capitalism, most importantly for the US Empire, as they are the currency monopoly, military bully and world hegemon. Russia as the strongest ally of China protects China‘s northern land mass border just by existing. For that it‘s important to balkanize Russia (the U.S. Helsinki Commission actually calls it „Decolonizing Russia: A Moral and Strategic Imperative“). This means to forcefully break the country up into smaller, more manageable regions.

Anyway, the general idea for Europe is to take care of Russia, so the US is able to focus on the indo-pacific, meaning China. It‘s the geo-strategic reality of the western block to remain (or regain) world dominance. It‘s capitalism in it‘s highest stage, imperialism.

This is a very common political analysis, not only shared by communists. It‘s just that most folks on lemmy are basing their political understanding on vibes and what western corporate media tells them. It‘s a choice to go beyond that.

Lol.

I‘m a semi-technical user, I don‘t want a technical discussion, I want facts I‘m able to understand. If you‘d be knowledgeable, you should be able to explain it. You didn‘t, tho. You used a lot of words, but said nothing. Why should your arrogant, but empty yapping do anything for me?

Ah, right. Sniping the exact comment in this deranged thread for “Not engaging in good faith”, that sources the busification reality showcasing how the Ukraine government acts towards its own citizens. Check the modlog for the link.

So, you’re another one of these heroes that actually do not give a flying fuck about the Ukrainian people, but instead prefer to be witty on the internet? Nice, be proud, real good human material.

Only that their offices are empty, since there are no more Ukrainian men to force into the NATO proxy war. So who cares about signs?

If only you jesters actually cared about the Ukrainian people. What a sad state of affairs this comm is in.

You seriously think this war is about colonization?

And yet you do. But surely, I’m the stupid one here. So what does the Ukrainian sign say? What do you say about the link I posted?

Why would I, because you want me dead? You think that’s a reasonable answer?

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And what does the sign in the Ukrainian recruiting office say?