Because all top level comments seem to be equally bigoted I will just say thanks Zali Stegall and fuck the genocidal apartheid settler colony.

Same thing was said when people were calling for Biden to step down. I don’t like Kamala but anything is better than Biden at this point. What a genocidal motherfucker. Anyway, pressure works, pressure is normal, that’s how politics work. So we got to keep pressuring Kamala to be better than she currently is.

That’s what most Palestinians want and what even Hamas agreed to no? I mean Hamas even agreed to disarm if there’s a two state solution. Not that it would be good for Palestinians to be ruled by Hamas and not that I trust that the armed fractions would just be like „um yeah ok I guess this is it“.

But anyway I have no answers to how to achieve a ceasefire since the Israelis are actively blocking any ceasefire currently and any path to Palestinian sovereignty ever since. I think that’s where OP is coming from.

Israel was never a democracy. Palestinians who were granted citizenship once Israel got established lived under a rule similar to the military rule in the illegally occupied West Bank. Then, said illegal military occupation commenced and while the situation for Palestinians with Israeli passport slightly improved, millions of Palestinians have been living under military rule ever since. There wasn’t ever a democracy that included Palestinians so it would be more accurate to call it an ethnocracy which is inherently not democratic.

Are you okay?

Everything can be Hamas if you just manifest it hard enough!

Absolutely! It’s disgusting.

Thank you for the assessment, I also think this bit does more harm than good and I don’t understand why the mods just pushed it on us.

To be a bit polemic: because everything left of Fox News is considered left wing. It’s not THAT bad but it classifies centrist to right wing media as left wing so it’s as the other commenter said very biased itself.

Yeah but it’s just a crazy racist comment.

Ceasefire end of this week! Trust me bro!

The Ottomans actively destroyed education in their territories to dumb down the population and in their end phase committed multiple genocides. They also used the Balkans as a source for recruiting sex slaves and slave soldier units. What a horrible empire, horrible as any other empire but completely out of scope for this discussion.

Again, typical Reddit type of comment.

I am lazy so I will simply copy and paste my response to the other comment.

There was a somewhat peaceful coexistence of all kinds of religions before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire (let’s not get into the genocides the Ottoman Empire committed here). There have been pan-Arab nationalist movements in the 19th century to separate from the Ottoman Empire that the British undermined, see e.g. their meddling in Egypt. There have been local Arab nationalist movements that have been undermined, most prominently the Palestinian one.

Jews were in general safer in the Middle East than in Europe (I hope I don’t have to explain this). Especially in Palestine there have always been Muslims, Christians, and Jews. In Lebanon there were and still are many Christians. In Syria there are many ethnic and religious minorities. In Iraq there has been a coexistence between Shia and Sunni people. Iran wasn’t a very religious country.

The suppression of nationalist movements during the Ottoman period, the arbitrary borders that the British and French drew after they left their colonies, the installment of monarchies loyal to their interests and the creation of Israel all fueled conflicts. After the creation of the apartheid settler colony Israel, the Americans led regime changes in

1. Syria (1949, 1956-1957)
2. Egypt (1952)
3. Iran (1952-1953)
4. Iraq (1959, 1963)

all with the goal to prevent disloyal governments from forming, or even worse regimes that would take away their rights to extracting resources for free. These regime changes usually led to the establishment of brutal military dictatorships and to resistance groups forming. This is when the religious nut jobs finally entered the stage. They were either fighting the Americans (Iran) or armed by the Americans (Saudi Arabia, Taliban anyone?). And since the post WW2 period sectarian violence emerged because who would have guessed that destabilizing an entire region just to keep its influence down would fuel conflicts between people.

Maybe now you see why it’s such a typical snappy Reddit comment to blame it on religion but it’s in fact a pretty stupid take.

Btw for sources, regarding arab nationalism there’s „10 myths about Israel“ by Ilan Pappe and regarding regime changes there’s an extensive Wikipedia article on all American led regime changes.

You mean American evangelicals? Yeah I mean that’s true, but I interpreted OPs comment in a way that they think the conflict between Israel and everyone else would simply be about Jews vs Muslims and I think that’s a very catchy Reddit type of comment but it’s very far from reality.

There was a somewhat peaceful coexistence of all kinds of religions before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire (let’s not get into the genocides the Ottoman Empire committed here). There have been pan-Arab nationalist movements in the 19th century to separate from the Ottoman Empire that the British undermined, see e.g. their meddling in Egypt. There have been local Arab nationalist movements that have been undermined, most prominently the Palestinian one.

Jews were in general safer in the Middle East than in Europe (I hope I don’t have to explain this). Especially in Palestine there have always been Muslims, Christians, and Jews. In Lebanon there were and still are many Christians. In Syria there are many ethnic and religious minorities. In Iraq there has been a coexistence between Shia and Sunni people. Iran wasn’t a very religious country.

The suppression of nationalist movements during the Ottoman period, the arbitrary borders that the British and French drew after they left their colonies, the installment of monarchies loyal to their interests and the creation of Israel all fueled conflicts. After the creation of the apartheid settler colony Israel, the Americans led regime changes in

1. Syria (1949, 1956-1957)
2. Egypt (1952)
3. Iran (1952-1953)
4. Iraq (1959, 1963)

all with the goal to prevent disloyal governments from forming, or even worse regimes that would take away their rights to extracting resources for free. These regime changes usually led to the establishment of brutal military dictatorships and to resistance groups forming. This is when the religious nut jobs finally entered the stage. They were either fighting the Americans (Iran) or armed by the Americans (Saudi Arabia, Taliban anyone?). And since the post WW2 period sectarian violence emerged because who would have guessed that destabilizing an entire region just to keep its influence down would fuel conflicts between people.

Maybe now you see why it’s such a typical snappy Reddit comment to blame it on religion but it’s in fact a pretty stupid take.

Btw for sources, regarding arab nationalism there’s „10 myths about Israel“ by Ilan Pappe and regarding regime changes there’s an extensive Wikipedia article on all American led regime changes.

So do you think they had it coming and deserve being genocided because they’re Palestinian or Muslim or both?

Meanwhile you’re shilling for Israel which is disgraceful given how little respect that country has for Palestinians.

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I mean this person has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about if they think journalists publish in The Lancet just because it’s called a journal so I think any discussion is absolutely pointless.

Yeah the interview isn’t very informative imo and can kinda be reduced to this.