Your statement that this gets more attention than killings of civilians is not as obviously true as you make it. This is the first thread on Lemmy I’ve seen for example specifically discussing the ship whereas I’ve seen multiple others discussing the school bombing. So I’m not sure I know what you’re talking about here.

About the other two, again I’m not sure where you’re getting at. You’re digging your heels on what exactly? That people should not be upset about this? My points 2 and 3 tried to describe some reasons why people might feel upset. Your point is what? “Fuck your feelings”? I mean ok, you can say that, but then what?

Is this the FAFO the Americans keep taking about?

Your comment does multiple things at once.

You are asking why the outrage over this vs the school. Well, that’s a false dilemma. Nobody says the school bombing was A-OK.

You’re asserting that being in a country’s Navy makes it so that you accept the risk someone might shoot you. Well, nobody says it isn’t so. But that doesn’t make that loss of life A-OK. This is especially shocking given the brutal nature of a ship being torpedoed like that.

The United States has not declared war on Iran according to their own fucking constitution. They only make a bullshit self defense argument. But the ship was in an unrelated part of the world, in Shri Lanka, so literally unable to threaten anything. So the killing felt gratuitous, cold blooded, brutal, unnecessary. The US could have neutralized the ship in a more humane way, given them a chance to surrender, etc. Instead they chose this.

So, no, this isn’t more important than the bombing of the school, and yes it is a warship but it’s still brutal and shocking. Your scolding of people’s natural aversion to this massacre is just not helpful.

you should be ashamed

you are a stupid, bad fucking person

go touch some grass buddy

Controversial opinion: more young Israelis should do what this man is doing. They should say “lol fuck this shit, who wants to be fighting anyway” and move out of Israel. North American and European countries should welcome them with open arms. Anti-aliyah. Who needs a shithole apartheid bunker state anyway? Settlers move out, come live free from that shit and Free Palestine.

Can we fucking decarbonize already?

Especially after the US torpedoed the Iris Dena? Fun times.

May your remaining bombs be duds and then you run out.

Ah I understand, good clarification.

That’s entirely irrelevant to any radicalized Iranian who saw American bombs killing innocent school children.

Americans and Israelis when these particular roosters will inevitably come home to roost: “why do they hate us?”.

The thing about precedent is that it sets a precedent.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dear Jonas:

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

What a devious plotter! He made Russia invade his country so that he could become a dictator. Genius!

Half a millennia of near endless military conquests and civil wars. What’s not to love?

You changed the subject.

Because your liberal reformists consolidated enormous powers in the executive branch. Again. You keep giving governments the ability to end elections and entrench themselves indefinitely. That’s exactly what it will do, every time.

What a ridiculous thing to write in the context of this discussion. Martial law was not enacted via self-coup. The Ukrainian executive did not wake up one nice morning, realize it had some kewl powers and thought let’s enact martial law so that we can entrench ourselves. It was enacted when a foreign power invaded. It will be revoked the moment Russian soldiers return the fuck back to Russia.

And how’d that work out?

Given that the Roman Republic lasted for something like 480 years (509 – 27 BC) ? Pretty damn well thank you very much, that’s a longer lifespan that any of our current republics (minus San Marino I guess).

While in a state of martial law. A constitution re-written as recently as 2015, the year following Ukrainian Oligarch Petro Poroshenko’s ascension to power. You’re witnessing the end stages of the collapse of democracy in the country under a set of rules authorized barely a decade ago.

Why is martial law currently in effect buddy? Can you think of anything that would guarantee the immediate revocation of martial law? Anything? Any ideas?

Fun fact: the original meaning of a dictatorship was precisely the case where the Romans extraordinarily appointed someone to have full authority to resolve a specific problem, such as when a serious threat the the state was present.

The Ukrainian constitution says no elections while war. Zelensky does not hold any dictatorial authority beyond the one given to him by the Ukrainian people and laws when he was elected.

If you are going to be mad at someone for straining Ukrainian democracy, be mad at the country invading it, and thus triggering the suspension of elections.

It’s called being invaded and by definition, yea, it’s kind of exceptional.

“Zelensky won’t break the law.”