And Somalia. I aint moving the goalpost, my point has been pretty much the same. NATO command and personnel was not involved in Iraq, maybe every other instance at the time but not Iraq. Members of an alliance can take actions outside of the alliance, this has been true for millenia. You just keep bringing up semi-related shit that only factors in on one front of a war.

Also Libya and Somalia still aint fucking Iraq.

So the post war clusterfuck, Tonga of all countries is listed. Still no direct Nato involvement, France is still staying the hell away. But still mos tof the list is weird, id need to look at what half those countries were doing in Iraq mostly cause what the fuck was Tonga doing. But yeah the list as a whole reads more as one of countries in the Global war on terror.

Unless you can give me direct evidence of NATO command pissing around in Iraq post invasion for anything other than logistics because dear fuck that must have been a nightmare. Ill continue to point out that NATO wasnt involved as a combatant.

I just looked it up and the closest thing I can find is a training mission, but that was for training local Iraqi forces for the interim government. Which is its own thing. Also 8t seems like the mission was restarted, neet.

Also I must reiterate that members of an alliance being involved doesnt mean that the alliance as a whole is involved. Hell amongst that list half of the current NATO members werent even in NATO in 03. With Romania and Bulgaria not joining till 04, the Baltic nations till 04, Albania till 09, and Macedonia till 2020.

Hell looking at the list again ive noticed that quite a few of the countries at the time hadn’t been in conflict for awhile. So they may have been using fighting al-Qaeda as an excuse for live target exercises. Congrats dude you gave convinced me that Iraq was basically civil war era Spain, where in everyone tested their toys there cause it was a clusterfuck.

We are discussing fucken Iraq and you bring up Enduring Freedom, which was a clusterfuck in Afghanistan. Iraq is in the middle east, Afghanistan is in central asia. Also while NATO was a massive part of it there are actually quite a few non NATO countries involved like Armenia, who I wish was part of NATO hell I wish we had them instead of Turkey.

Terms have meanings Iraq may be closely aligned in many folks psyche with the rest of the eras clusterfucks, but well this aint a Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam war situation. The overlap between the operations was seperated by pure distance alone. Its closer to say WW1 germany where they were kicking ass and taking names in the east meanwhile fuck all is happening in the west.

Yes NATO was part of a good chunk of the Global War on Terror but NATO had nearly fuck all to do with Iraq which wasnt even part of that greater clusterfuck until after Iraq decided to cosplay the Balkans and implode. And by that point it was firmly a regional and UK-America clusterfuck.

Whats your counterpoint then, give me something to work with other than “youre wrong” I laid out my sources. But let me let ya in on a little secret, that which is asserted without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence. You have made assertion that NATO as an alliance was involved directly in Iraq, but the closest thing is some random shit in Turkey and Poland getting help with logistics during the occupation period.

For fucks sake the strongest evidence against your assertion is the fact that some Americans tried renaming french fries freedom fries, all because the French wanted nothing to do with that clusterfuck. Ya know France one of the founding members of NATO.

Either put up or shutup. Cause its easy to say no its an entirely different thing to make a proper fucken argument.

Yes, the only listed combatant countries are fucking the US, UK, Poland, Australia, and allied Iraqi forces. Ive met enough fucking veterans to know who they fought with during the initial invasian from anecdotes alone and post invasion was the US, UK, and local forces.

Yes secondary assistance was given, but guess what only direct fucken involvement matters. Ill even qoute the fucking beginning of the fucking NATO article on the matter and the nice little list of NATO adjacent actions.

“The March 2003 campaign against Iraq was conducted by a coalition of forces from different countries, some of which were NATO member countries and some were not. NATO as an organisation had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign or to conduct it”

And heres the little list.

• NATO as an organisation had no role in the 2003 campaign since opinions among members were divided, as they were in the United Nations.

• Iraq was suspected of possessing weapons of mass destruction and was requested to comply with disarmament obligations.

• The US-led coalition, operation Iraqi Freedom, ousted the Saddam Hussein regime.

• Prior to the campaign and at the request of Turkey, NATO undertook precautionary defensive measures by deploying for instance surveillance aircraft and missile defenses on Turkish territory.

• NATO also supported Poland - a participant in the US-led Multinational Stabilization Force set up after the campaign - with for instance communications and logistics.

The closest fucking thing to actually getting involved in Iraq is the logistical assistance during occupation and that was largely in poland and the UK.

Here the fucking article on the NATO website if ya want to look further. Most of it is dedicated to the thing with Turkey.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm

And heres the fucken wiki for the Iraq war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Its all rather dry but concise. Read it and weap profligate.

Because it was only 3 members doing combat, everything else contributed by say Germany was do to secondary treaties. For example staging, hospital use, and maintenance in Germany would be covered by basing treaties. Yes quite a bit of this is wrapped up with NATO as a whole, but quite a bit also isnt lots of ifs, ands, ors, and buts in the language of it all.

Turns out alliances and treaties can be complex and esoteric things at the best of times, we figured that out after WW1. And yes only three NATO members had participated in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and one of them (Poland) pulled out. If you bring up Australia they arent part of NATO. Iraq was an unjustified clusterfuck ya dont need to lie about it to make it sound worse.

Also intelligence agencies dont count, half the time intelligence is in a region its to make sure it doesnt need them.

One experience is experience youre gonna brag about having it. Two most of the alliance didnt participate, the only members who did were the US, Uk, and Poland for some reason. Thats only two of the founding memebers and three members total, Australia was also there. It was a massive operation done by pretty important nations Poland is the most important NATO member in the east of Europe, the US just is the most important member, and Britain is also pretty fucken important.

But all four of the countries involved have independent alliances with eachother seperate from NATO, yes their offensive capabilities are helped by NATO but that is only on the experience and equipment level. If NATO was actually directly involved id expect France and Germany to have been involved for example.

You can have independent operations by members states. If a couple of my cousins and myself go and murder someone that doesnt mean it was done by my clan. It just means some people in my clan are murderers, most alliance networks allow independent operations and actions seperate from the alliance.

Call it the North American Trade Union and try to get some of the Central Americans in on it. Also invite Greenland into it just to make that situation where Denmark is part of the EU but greenland isnt more confusing.

Fallout: New Vegas is powered by my ever dwindling sanity. I am currently trying to get my mods to play nice.

Also its implied ingame that only the strip is powered by the damn dam and that Freeside and West Vegas get either limited or no power, hence why directing the electricity from Helios One to the area is such a big deal.

Apples to oranges dude, this is for pure spectacle that wears off after five minutes. Plus any data gained from it was at the lab they prototyped it I believe in Burbank. This aint really a sign of progress, and itll be funny to see what happens to it when it inevitably breaks.

A weakling who I want to kill woth a Daneaxe, a prime example of a debauched profligate with neither morals nor forethought who was able to amass wealth and influence by staying under the radar to a degree. But once he was able to gain the fame that his kind crave due to their misinterpretation of fame equaling power he got himself into international legal troubles.

Hey I drive by there every week for work. I fucken hate that intersection its on.

I feel like this is an arguement for new specialized computers at best. At worst it shows that this AI crap is even more harmful to the end user.

Hey now those sons of bitches could be durable. I saw one get hit by a f150 once and the f150 had more damage. Dont fuck with the cozy coupes.

I sold mine to Odin and even I know about it. Now if youll excuse me I need to throw axes at people who dont like poetry or flyting.

Pretty sure thats on the inside of the car and is actually covered as well. Release latch means shit in this situation, especially since car door design was more or less perfected over a hundred years ago at this point. Change for the sake of change is a damndable concept for tech.

Duluth cargo pants that I got in my first year of highschool that have just kinda ended up being that way after avout a decade. I have been five foot fucken five since I was 14.

Ya guys dont just wear cargo pants? Like I know im an autistic Redneck but like why wear anything tighter if youre a guy? I dont like CBT why would I like to induce that with my pants.

My pants should be loose up top for my cock and balls while being more well fitted past the knee so they dont catch on stuff. Fuck all ya im right.