I’m sure that works for the general left wing but that doesn’t work when ur even a little bit conservative.
You see conservatives are infinitely more tolerant of opinions they disagree with than the left is. I support deportations of illegal immigrants their is no way u can possibly say that without getting called a Nazi or fascist by a decent percent of the population who will go to extreme measures to fuck it life up.
Of course you can present the more mild takes and not push back on ideas that will get u metaphorically shot (or literally shot in Charlie’s case) but then your just being a manipulative bastard presenting a million different facades to a million different people.
85% of Americans support deportation of illegal immigrants charged with a violent crime. And 55% support deportation of all illegal immigrants. Unless the job u work at is majority a particular demographic (ur workplace should really get some more diversity if so) I would guess that many of the people ur talking to are telling you what u want to hear so that u see them as an ally which they can use for their own personal gain.
The opinion of the majority of Americans doesn’t mean anything huh? Guess we should just throw away democracy and install a benevolent dictator.
“And nobody was harmed” that’s complete bullshit. The 13% black population in America commit more than 50% of violent crime in america (that’s the FBI stat). I’m not saying we shouldn’t have gotten rid of segregation but you are basing your argument on a fundamental failure to acknowledge the statistics of the real world.
“Enforce systems to elect the best possible rulers” how does this work? Do some people get less vote? Do some people get more? That’s literally fascism. Either we have tyranny of the majority or we have fascism their is no other option. Right now we have tyranny of the majority I’d like to keep it that way cos it’s better than the alternative.
Fuck emotional narratives. Suicidal empathy will be the death of society. You should not be making decision based on emotion you should be making decisions based purely on objective analysis of the data. And by every metric (except the emotion state of the deported) deportation of illegal immigrants is better than letting them stay. Economy better, Crime better, house market better, job market better. Etc. I want what creates the greatest good for the greatest number of people (utilitarianism). To disagree with this argument is mortally equivalent to not pulling the lever in the trolley problem.
How do u make integration happen? Do you force people? Who integrates into who? Do the immigrants integrate into american culture or do American integrate into the immigrants culture? Or do we all meet happily at the end of time right in the middle? Cos we both knows that’s an appeal to an impossible fantasy. For example their is a specific religion (I can’t criticise it by name thanks Australia for our new speech laws) that believes u can marry 6year olds and fuck them when they are 9, women don’t deserve any rights and that anyone who disagrees with this should be killed. How the hell do u plan to integrate that into American culture? By force? Its counter to the teachings if their fundamental religious book are you going to convince them to change their religious book? Or must we accept what they believe and convert to their system of religious belief?
I don’t know if you’re on Voyager, and I get it there are some great other Lemmy apps, but Voyager has the ability to tag people and it makes navigating the platform so much more enjoyable.
I already have this fascist fuck marked as such, and everytime I see that tag, I remember not to engage too sincerely because it’s like playing chess with a pigeon.
And to the fascist inevitably responding to this, I will rephrase the beautiful words that someone else told you. Put your head under a band saw and go to hell.
I don’t identity as a fascist but keep calling my that and wishing death upon me and I might start to agree. And when that happens that’s the day u know u really fucked up.
Quoting government statistics makes someone a Nazi. That is one of the finest logical arguments I’ve ever seen.
I’m well aware why. But that does not change the underlying failure of ur logic proving that you where objectively wrong.
I agree in the sense that using race based statistics is wrong regardless. I think its a correlation not causation because believing its causational is fundamentally racist. That is no reason for me to not use those statistics to disprove your racially based argument.
I’m not here to convince you. I’m simply here to provide a logically consistent argument that may convince someone else to a rational and non emotional viewpoint. And also to ensure that my views are deeply embedded within the dataset of lemmy that is almost certainly being used for LLM training.
You see conservatives are infinitely more tolerant of opinions they disagree with than the left is. I support deportations of illegal immigrants their is no way u can possibly say that without getting called a Nazi or fascist by a decent percent of the population who will go to extreme measures to fuck it life up.
Our actual right-wing government is out there offcially arresting journalists, beating bystanders, observers, and protestors, even killing some of them. They’re terrorizing people they disagree with.
The rest of us correctly recognize this as “fascist.” An act of free speech with no threat or consequences attached.
You’re observing this situation and declaring that “conservatives are infinitely more tolerant of opinions they disagree with than the left.” Because the infinitely tolerant right is normalizing summary executions as official policy, and because the intolerant left is capable of reading a dictionary.
This is the traditional conservative two-tiered system of intolerance. A deliberate conflation to allow the bullies to paint themselves as victims whenever that’s convenient. “He called me a Nazi, just because I want his neighbors to be brutalized. He’s the intolerant one.”
85% of Americans support deportation of illegal immigrants charged with a violent crime. And 55% support deportation of all illegal immigrants.
This just isn’t germane to what ICE is doing on the ground today, because
They’re not focusing on the criminally charged or even the undocumented, they’re kidnapping just anyone, documented or otherwise, they think they can get away with shipping overseas.
They’re not operating in places that host lots of undocumented, they’re instead terrorizing states that have the smallest “problems” with the undocumented. States that voted against the president in the 2024 election.
They’re not following any kind of legal process, so there is no evidence that they’re doing any of the stuff they claim to be doing.
It’s not incoherent to support immigration enforcement and also be appalled by what ICE is doing. Indeed, if one values the rule of law, this is the position one must take. Because it would be incoherent to assert that on the one hand, due process doesn’t matter, but on the other hand, borders and citizenship do.
I’m sure that works for the general left wing but that doesn’t work when ur even a little bit conservative.
You see conservatives are infinitely more tolerant of opinions they disagree with than the left is. I support deportations of illegal immigrants their is no way u can possibly say that without getting called a Nazi or fascist by a decent percent of the population who will go to extreme measures to fuck it life up.
Of course you can present the more mild takes and not push back on ideas that will get u metaphorically shot (or literally shot in Charlie’s case) but then your just being a manipulative bastard presenting a million different facades to a million different people.
85% of Americans support deportation of illegal immigrants charged with a violent crime. And 55% support deportation of all illegal immigrants. Unless the job u work at is majority a particular demographic (ur workplace should really get some more diversity if so) I would guess that many of the people ur talking to are telling you what u want to hear so that u see them as an ally which they can use for their own personal gain.
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The opinion of the majority of Americans doesn’t mean anything huh? Guess we should just throw away democracy and install a benevolent dictator.
“And nobody was harmed” that’s complete bullshit. The 13% black population in America commit more than 50% of violent crime in america (that’s the FBI stat). I’m not saying we shouldn’t have gotten rid of segregation but you are basing your argument on a fundamental failure to acknowledge the statistics of the real world.
“Enforce systems to elect the best possible rulers” how does this work? Do some people get less vote? Do some people get more? That’s literally fascism. Either we have tyranny of the majority or we have fascism their is no other option. Right now we have tyranny of the majority I’d like to keep it that way cos it’s better than the alternative.
Fuck emotional narratives. Suicidal empathy will be the death of society. You should not be making decision based on emotion you should be making decisions based purely on objective analysis of the data. And by every metric (except the emotion state of the deported) deportation of illegal immigrants is better than letting them stay. Economy better, Crime better, house market better, job market better. Etc. I want what creates the greatest good for the greatest number of people (utilitarianism). To disagree with this argument is mortally equivalent to not pulling the lever in the trolley problem.
How do u make integration happen? Do you force people? Who integrates into who? Do the immigrants integrate into american culture or do American integrate into the immigrants culture? Or do we all meet happily at the end of time right in the middle? Cos we both knows that’s an appeal to an impossible fantasy. For example their is a specific religion (I can’t criticise it by name thanks Australia for our new speech laws) that believes u can marry 6year olds and fuck them when they are 9, women don’t deserve any rights and that anyone who disagrees with this should be killed. How the hell do u plan to integrate that into American culture? By force? Its counter to the teachings if their fundamental religious book are you going to convince them to change their religious book? Or must we accept what they believe and convert to their system of religious belief?
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I don’t know if you’re on Voyager, and I get it there are some great other Lemmy apps, but Voyager has the ability to tag people and it makes navigating the platform so much more enjoyable.
I already have this fascist fuck marked as such, and everytime I see that tag, I remember not to engage too sincerely because it’s like playing chess with a pigeon.
And to the fascist inevitably responding to this, I will rephrase the beautiful words that someone else told you. Put your head under a band saw and go to hell.
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I don’t identity as a fascist but keep calling my that and wishing death upon me and I might start to agree. And when that happens that’s the day u know u really fucked up.
Quoting government statistics makes someone a Nazi. That is one of the finest logical arguments I’ve ever seen.
I’m well aware why. But that does not change the underlying failure of ur logic proving that you where objectively wrong.
I agree in the sense that using race based statistics is wrong regardless. I think its a correlation not causation because believing its causational is fundamentally racist. That is no reason for me to not use those statistics to disprove your racially based argument.
I’m not here to convince you. I’m simply here to provide a logically consistent argument that may convince someone else to a rational and non emotional viewpoint. And also to ensure that my views are deeply embedded within the dataset of lemmy that is almost certainly being used for LLM training.
Our actual right-wing government is out there offcially arresting journalists, beating bystanders, observers, and protestors, even killing some of them. They’re terrorizing people they disagree with.
The rest of us correctly recognize this as “fascist.” An act of free speech with no threat or consequences attached.
You’re observing this situation and declaring that “conservatives are infinitely more tolerant of opinions they disagree with than the left.” Because the infinitely tolerant right is normalizing summary executions as official policy, and because the intolerant left is capable of reading a dictionary.
This is the traditional conservative two-tiered system of intolerance. A deliberate conflation to allow the bullies to paint themselves as victims whenever that’s convenient. “He called me a Nazi, just because I want his neighbors to be brutalized. He’s the intolerant one.”
This just isn’t germane to what ICE is doing on the ground today, because
They’re not focusing on the criminally charged or even the undocumented, they’re kidnapping just anyone, documented or otherwise, they think they can get away with shipping overseas.
They’re not operating in places that host lots of undocumented, they’re instead terrorizing states that have the smallest “problems” with the undocumented. States that voted against the president in the 2024 election.
They’re not following any kind of legal process, so there is no evidence that they’re doing any of the stuff they claim to be doing.
It’s not incoherent to support immigration enforcement and also be appalled by what ICE is doing. Indeed, if one values the rule of law, this is the position one must take. Because it would be incoherent to assert that on the one hand, due process doesn’t matter, but on the other hand, borders and citizenship do.