• Kalash@feddit.ch
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      Almost like Hamas is systematically using civilians as human shields.

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          Right, Israel should just roll over an accept all death and destructing of their own people just because the Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about theirs?

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                The same way the police deal with people that have taken hostages. Or the same way the US military deals with them. BY NOT KILLING THE HOSTAGES.

                You are putting an awful lot of effort into purposefully not understanding this concept.

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                  The US doesn’t negotiate with terrorists as a policy. the police isn’t dealing with people hell bent on murdering them, their family, and all their friends.

                  The fact that you think your scenarios are related shows you don’t understand the situation.

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                It’s called counter insurgency. But it involves thinking about the civilian population as real human beings with rights.

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            No one said that. Why do you make it sound like this is the only other option?

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        Even given that, Israel still has choices about what it does and responsibility for it. Israel is not forced to mass-murder civilians.

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        The last dude was found hiding in a refugee camp. His decision to hide there doomed others in the camp. They do it on purpose because one side will sometimes play by the rules. Terrorists exploit that.

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          Yep, they have been doing this for decades.

          It’s almost a win-win for them. Either they avoid getting bombed … or they don’t but they get to play the victim card and point the finger at Israel. That’s literally their playbook.

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            If only there were some way to go into the refuge camp and kill ONLY THE TERRORIST, instead of firing missiles blindly into the camp.

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                  Hamas exists. A Palestinian resistance to Hamas could exist as well (and would likely be supported by Israel and the United States). Yet, there does not seem to be any Palestinian resistance to their violent and corrupt Hamas overlords.

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                If only Israelis could stop supporting a genocidal extremist government.

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                  If I recall correctly, Israelis were all out in the streets protesting their government just a month or so ago.

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        Proximity shielding the wya Israel uses itet is pure BS. Read about it. Almost every use of it is questionable and made to kill civilians.

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    so that means they dont need to murder innocents anymore right??

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      Wrong. They want to eliminate the very last Hamas fighter while totally ignoring the Hydra effect.

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    To all the commentators that obviously know better how to act in a war:

    How should Israel act to defend its citizens from the ongoing attacks? How should Israel act, so that Hamas will never be able to harm civilians again?

    And don’t tell us what you DON‘T want, tell us what you DO want.

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      This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

      The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

      The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

      However, Israel’s goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they’ll, make bullshit excuses of why that’s not possible.

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        The difference is the fact that gangs didn’t just go around and steal all the food from their own neighbors to make sure they all remained poor and starving on purpose. It’s not a good comparison at all.

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          Sure, it’s Hamas that makes Palestinians poor and not the economic blockade enforced by the Israeli offense force. And the bulldozing. And the constant bombardment. And the settler incursions. 🤣

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            Old DoomBot there is chock full of bad arguments with a helpful dose of plugging their ears, closing their eyes, and humming loudly when facts don’t fit their worldview.

            Don’t expect anything like internally consistent logic or any sort of concessions from them. Their goal posts move far and often. I’d block them but they’re good for a laugh.

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            And certainly not Israel giving Palestinians in Gaza permits to work low paying slave jobs that they would otherwise not have to work 🤣 Israel is a fucking clown I swear

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            Yes, it is in fact Hamas. They take all the aid brought in and use it to build terror tunnels and keep their own stock. That’s why Hamas still has plenty of food, fuel, and medicine, while the Palestinian people are short on all of that.

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        This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

        The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

        The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

        So you are saying the Islamic State / IS / Daesh was also the product of „conditions that made them necessary“?

        However, Israel’s goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they’ll, make bullshit excuses of why that’s not possible.

        Do you know that the Palestinian authorities have denied EVERY attempt of a two state solution since 1948? Why would „they“ now accept borders, they have categorically denied before?

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          Do you know that the Palestinian authorities have denied EVERY attempt of a two state solution since 1948? Why would „they“ now accept borders, they have categorically denied before?

          Did they? Or is it Netanyahu? Palestinian Authority had repeatedly demand for the 1948 border to be respected, and evict all the violent illegal settler from the west bank, and Israel repeatedly refused.

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          “they have denied every attempt at two state solution”

          Usual Israeli propaganda to continue the victimhood facade. Israel takes a shit on what a two-state solution should look like, of course the Arabs will bloody reject it.

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      They should have thought about this when they literally picked this place for their state and other people had already claimed that land fairly.

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        Israel got this land assigned from Great Britain after the 2nd world war who at the time had the right to it after the Ottoman Empire was destroyed.

        Also Jewish people were living there for thousands of years before.they were kicked out illegitimately.

        Who has the “right” to this country depends how far you go back and that argument is not helping at all in the current conflict.

        Or would you say that American people should just 'endure the rockets" if the ancestors from native americans started bombing New York?

        Even if what happened at the time was unjust it doesn’t give the other party a free reign to do whatever they want

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          Got assigned this land.??? People were living there already. England just kicked them out. That’s somehow ok with you.