• OrangeJoe@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    I didn’t specify a plan one way or another. I just think it’s crazy that the talking points you presented seem pretty clearly designed to just kick this issue down the road, cause at least that way you still get to have your guns.

    And believe me, solving all those things you mentioned would be great. But why not also try and do something about the major gun issues at the same time too?

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      11 months ago

      Those “talking points” would solve our firearm violence. We don’t have a gun problem, we have a societal one. Random mass shootings are a new phenomenon…gang violence and drug violence are not. Solving these things with the list I posted, would curb our violence epidemic 100xs more than just another emotional gun law from people who don’t understand guns.

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        11 months ago

        We do have a societal problem. We also very much have a gun problem.

        And proposing all these other things you know won’t get accomplished is a way to shift all the responsibility away from the gun issue itself.

        And you aren’t being emotional about even the thought of some more gun control or anything to even tackle that issue head on? Come on.

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          11 months ago

          It might be because I’m not delusional about why we have the violence in the first place. I’m proposing things that actually would make a difference, another AWB or mag cap/mag ban/etc is emotional policies that will not put a single dent in our gun violence… I’m not the one kicking the can down the road, you are.

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            11 months ago

            I personally didn’t propose any of those policies. I genuinely don’t know what would work best. I just think you are being really transparent in treating the guns themselves as having nothing to do with the issue of gun violence.

            I think everything you were saying would be great to accomplish. It’s just really disingenuous to propose them knowing there is a slim chance any of them will happen while completely ignoring the actual guns, just because you want to keep your guns.

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              11 months ago

              The statistics and other countries show that violence is mainly driven by poverty and ignorance. Work on those two main things, and you slow the violence.

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                11 months ago

                And most other countries also have much stricter gun control laws too.

                We could work on those things and the gun problem too.

                So again, you are being very transparent by completely disregarding the guns as if they somehow aren’t part of the gun violence problem.

                Either way. I think this is where I drop out of this. We are going in circles and while I agree we should work on the things you mention, we clearly just disagree about the actual guns themselves. And of course neither of us are actually in a direct position to make changes to any of those things, I assume. So you have a good one.