• hark@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Israel doesn’t give a shit. They were only interested in normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia to keep them away and deal with them later. Now that they’ve ripped their masks off and kicked the ethnic cleansing process into high gear, there’s no point in normalizing relations. If Saudi Arabia has a problem with it, they’ll be “regime changed”. We’ve hit a point of no return.

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      If the west was going to regime change Saudi Arabia they would have done it after 9/11, which was planned financed and perpetrated by Saudis. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq instead, two enemies of Saudi Arabia that had nothing to do with it. Israeli and Saudi dick are equally down America’s throat and I honestly don’t know which one NATO would side with.

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        Saudi Arabia is a well-tamed bitch. There was no need to go after Saudi Arabia after 9/11 because they were already fully under control. Nah, a tragedy like that is best capitalized by taking down “rogue” enemy states like Iraq. Just look at the countries that the US has involved itself in, including Syria, Libya, Somalia, etc… these are countries that weren’t playing ball. It’s looking like Iran’s turn is soon. After all these countries have been fully taken care of, the US can take down the tamed bitches like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Basic divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book.

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          I don’t think Iran will happen. For multitudes of reasons. They are not an easy target like the rest you have listed.

          Best they can try is destabilize like always. Just toppling their theocratic regime would be a good outcome already. For that the general populace would have to live in squalor though. But they somehow keep things afloat.

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      8 months ago

      To change the saudi “regime” you have to change the society itself because it is a tribal society. It will take at least one or two more generation to create any fundamental change in the kingdom.

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        8 months ago

        Nah, the US just backs one of the many “princes” to usurp the throne. Failing that, they do a full-on invasion.

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          They can’t even do that. They might bomb cities but they cannot do a full invasion. The land is Massive with mountains, large desert and extreme heat. And if they touch Mecca or Madinah you mobilize 1 billion Muslims around the world.

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            Mountains, desert, and extreme heat haven’t stopped the US from invading in the past. They’d be focusing on key areas.

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            If you think two sentences is rambling then maybe you’re the simple-minded one. Sorry you have trouble understanding, but let the adults talk.

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                8 months ago

                Yes, I’m sure you and your three alt accounts are super adults for caring about upvotes and downvotes. Here, have a downvote.

                • blazeknave@lemmy.world
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                  Lol I’ve never created an alt for voting in my life. How old are you? An ignorant baby? Or a stubborn geriatric?

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          Impossible for a non-Islamic state to invade Saudi Arabia. There would be a profound religious war. The crown’s whole legitimacy comes from them protecting Mecca.

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            They derive all their power from their oil supply and their close ties to the US (which they get because of their oil supply).

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            Not at all. Most Muslims don’t care about Saudi rulers and see them as massive Hypocrites collaborating with israel.

            Unless their politicians hide inside Mecca it’s not likely anyone will undertake action.

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      Yeah, it’s terrible that they’re the ones on the right side of history on this. It shows how low the US is willing to go to protect its ME interests. Literally morally lower than Saudi.

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      Anyone who wants peace in the Near East as there’s no way around the Saudis and their influence. They’re a diplomatic heavyweight in general: Within the Arab world by tribal whatnot, elsewhere mostly fuelled by oil.

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        Israel has been there for decades without being at war with Palestine and there was no peace.

        I don’t know what they have been doing with their influence to this point then.

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          Israel has been there for decades without being at war with Palestine

          Israel is founded on the Nakba. There hasn’t been a single day of peace since religious Zionists appeared in the region (the whole thing would’ve been possible with only Labour Zionists) which is no surprise as religious Zionists are fascists and fascists love their purified ethno-states and eternal wars.

          My solution? One-state. Let all the Palestinians into Israel, with full citizenship, all of them (see right of return), tear down the walls in the west bank, deport Hamas and Kahanites into Gaza where they can fight it out to their heart’s content without bothering anyone else. Quadruple the height of the wall. They’re all criminals an open-air prison is adequate. Also put corrupt politicians there, especially corrupt prime ministers.

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    The Saudis are never on the right side of anything. They do not give a shit about Palestinians and they never did - this just how they attempt to be a thorn in the side of the US.

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    It’s kinda unusual for Saudi Arabia to stick up for Palestinians, isn’t it? Am I wrong about that?

    ETA: After a little reading, it seems that I am wrong about that but “it’s complicated.”

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    Imagine how much better the world would be if Jews migrated to the US instead of directly in the middle of people who hate them the most.

    Zionism is a plague that is responsible for untold damage.