As the title say’s, my Windows 10 install broke, but I’m still unsure whether or not to reinstall Windows 10 or install Linux.
Context:
A few months back, Windows 10 updates started to fail on my desktop. I had considered just reinstalling the OS but as my machine was working just fine I simply tolerated it.
Today, when my machine auto-updated it broke something. At first I thought the update worked. But soon I realized that the taskbar was acting odd. All the shortcuts I had placed on my taskbar were working as usual, but when I right clicked them nothing would happen. I clicked on the start menu and the search bar but nothing happened. Most of the widgets on the right side of the taskbar weren’t working such as Volume, Wi-Fi, Date & Time, and Notifications. I assumed it was just the taskbar that was broken but when I tried to use the windows key to open the settings menu, it didn’t work either, nor did it’s keyboard shortcut.
It seems the update had broken some apps that, though didn’t prevent Windows from starting, made navigating it a lot more difficult.
I’ve used Linux before. I had a Linux Mint, and EndeavourOS virtual machine installed on my computer. More recently, I installed EndeavourOS on an old laptop I had lying around, and have been using it daily for about a month now. Although I’ve had my difficulties, I’ve been loving my experience.
Though I’m still a Linux newbie I’ve been meaning to give Linux a real shot on my desktop for a couple weeks now, but as my machine was working just fine I didn’t really feel any necessity to make the switch.
But with my Windows install breaking, I feel like its time to give Linux a real shot.
My Questions:
I want to install Fedora on my desktop but I still have a few questions pertaining to Linux and my desktop specs.
I’m running a GTX 1660. I’ve heard a lot of bad things about running Linux with an NVIDIA GPU so I’d like a few things clarified.
- How would I install NVIDIA drivers?
- Does Wayland work with NVIDIA?
- A lot of distros are moving to Wayland. How would I ensure I stay on an Xorg session?
- I enjoy modding Bethesda games. Does Mod Organizer work fully on Linux?
- I’ve had difficulties running my steam games through proton on my laptop. Does proton work with Fedora?
- With said difficulties with proton, would installing Steam as a flatpak work or will it cause issues?
- Can you really not play any games with anti-cheat?
If you believe Fedora wouldn’t be the best distro for me I’m welcome to hear any suggestions, though I’m not enthusiastic about running anything Debian based nor installing vanilla Arch.
I’m sorry if I’m coming off as lazy for not doing my research. I’ve tried to research many of these questions before but found no concrete answers.
To all those who took the time to respond to my post.
Thank You!
Edit: I’ve made a new post
I think you should check out Bazzite or uBlue.
They’re both based on the immutable versions of Fedora, but more or less slightly tweaked.I would recommend them over Nobara. Nobara is very insecure and a one-man-project, and I don’t know if that are criteria for a solid distro.
The atomic Fedora spins on the other hand have many advantages:
- secure
- self maintaining and easy to use
- unbreakable, and you can roll back easily in case something breaks
- work out of the box
- you can select the
-nvidia
images and then your drivers are already baked in, since they are known to break or cause problems.
Bazzite is an attempt to “clone” SteamOS/ Nobara, and provides you with a great out of the box gaming setup.
The other uBlue spins are more vanilla and general purpose.
You could also check out VanillaOS, which is currently under development, but very focused on simplicity and newcomers.
Your questions:
- Nvidia: see my uBlue answer. They’re baked in and the best setup. If you want a traditional mutable distro, like Fedora, Mint, etc., you can install them with one click, but they might cause problems.
- Game compatibility: look at protondb.com A lot of Anticheat software works, but a lot more don’t. Depends. Remember to activate Proton in Steam, or most games don’t get shown.
- Modding software should also work, check out Bottles (Wine), but you might have to allow access to the corresponding directories, since Windows apps should and get sandboxed.
- X/ Wayland: Just try WL and see if it causes problems. With the proprietary Nvidia drivers, and especially Gnome, it should work fine and is in general way better (smoother, etc.) than X
Would you mind explaining why Nobara is insecure, other than it being a one man project? I just recently installed it as my daily driver and due to hardware issues, distro hopping is nearly impossible (primary laptop screen is broken and even using the fn key to swap monitors won’t let me see BIOS or bootloader), so at least knowing the issues would be fantastic.
I assume he just means that one guy will probably miss some stuff and might not patch things as quick. Not that it has known security issues
I’ve just made a post where I explained my points I have against it, but want others to give some input and tell me if I’m wrong. Feel free to join the discussion! :) https://feddit.de/post/9042712
I recently switched from Windows 10 to Fedora so I can share my experience. I’ve dabbled with Linux in the past but there’s always been immediate issues which have caused me to never stay that long. It’s too easy to just ditch and go back when everything on Windows just works out of the box. I was getting sick of all the privacy issues so decided to totally bail and go balls deep. I found it easier to push through all the problems by adopting a mentality that I was living with this now and I eventually started to enjoy fixing all the problems (it took a few weeks). Everything’s working now and solutions are out there, you just need to google and power through.
Installing Steam and Nvidia drivers is easy. You open the settings of the “App Store” and enable third party repositories. Once you’ve done that the Nvidia drivers and Steam will turn up in there and can be installed with the click of a button.
However, and maybe I’m just unlucky, but the dream of Linux gaming has been an absolute non-starter for me. I guess people on Radeons may have more luck but with my 2060S I haven’t really gotten anything to play acceptably. Even with Proton-GE and whatever other hacks people talk about everything has been unstable, slow, or both, and that’s if it starts at all. I’m sure it’s probably just the certain games I’m trying to play but I ended up partitioning my drive and installing Windows 10 again just for gaming.
Something else to try is Nobara, it’s a Linux distro built for ease of use and gaming. If I’d heard of it earlier I’d probably have tried it first but I’ve got Fedora nicely set up and I don’t think it includes anything I can’t simply install myself.
Have you tested if hardware acceleration even works at all? On my Fedora install, whenever I try the latest 545 driver, it just doesn’t work. glxinfo just returns an error, insufficient resources.
535 still works great for me though.
Thanks for sharing. I want to jump ship but gaming is the only issue…
Install PopOS, comes with nvidia drivers, and no extra hassle. Boots your GTX right up like a baby.
MO2 does work on Linux, I’ve played modded Skyrim extensively on my Steam Deck. Works like a charm! https://github.com/rockerbacon/modorganizer2-linux-installer
Thank you. I read a while ago that MO2 didn’t work on Linux, which is why I asked here.
Again thank you.
I highly recommend, as a beginner and a windows user, using fedora kinoite
It’s immutable, which means you can’t break the system unless you try very hard, and even then, it’ll give you a list of previous setups to boot from, and updates can’t break it.
It also keeps the system separate from your apps by using flatpak, the intricacies aren’t really important as a beginner but basically this means you’ll have an absolutely stable rock solid system that you never have to do weird maintenance for
I would highly recommend trying it out, and i’m absolutely willing to help with any issues you run into, feel free to message me on matrix @communist:mozilla.org or here.
as for your questions:
- How would I install NVIDIA drivers? https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-kinoite/troubleshooting/
^ guide is here, a few terminal commands, then you’re done
- Does Wayland work with NVIDIA?
https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland/Nvidia ^Yes, here’s the known issues page for kde
- A lot of distros are moving to Wayland. How would I ensure I stay on an Xorg session?
You choose X11 or wayland on the login screen.
- I enjoy modding Bethesda games. Does Mod Organizer work fully on Linux?
https://github.com/Nexus-Mods/NexusMods.App
^this is actually the successor, and it works natively on linux.
I used to use mod organizer and it also works although is a bit more annoying to setup.
- I’ve had difficulties running my steam games through proton on my laptop. Does promton work with Fedora?
Yes, but I recommend installing proton ge through flatpak and setting it as the default with this command:
flatpak install com.valvesoftware.Steam.CompatibilityTool.Proton-GE
Then go to steams settings > compatibility > enable steam play for all other titles, and run other titles with proton-ge
- With said difficulties with proton, would installing Steam as a flatpak work or will it cause issues?
That’s the only way to do it on kinoite, and will not cause issues.
- Can you really not play any games with anti-cheat?
Right now as far as i’m aware only easy-anticheat works. With others you’re SOL.
edit: use this apparently https://areweanticheatyet.com/
There are some games with BattleEye that work, same as EAC, the Devs have to enable it.
One game like this is The Cycle: Frontier.
Helldivers 2 which comes with nProtect apparently also works, at least for some people.
areweanticheatyet.com is a great resource similar to ProtonDB, but for AC compatibility on Linux.
I second the Kinoite recommendation. As long as you’re not trying to fiddle with the core os too much, the atomic distros pretty much just work.
Fedora and OpenSUSE are supported directly by nVidia. You can add specific nVidia hosted repos to install the drivers.
Bazzite is a steam like OS based on Fedora that is tailored to gaming.
I’m not sure about other distros but many will have an option to use wayland or X11 at the login prompt.
I don’t know anything about Mod Organizer but I’ll take a crack at the ones I actually know something about.
- My main computer is a laptop with an Nvidia GPU and the only big issue I have with Wayland is that the HDMI interface doesn’t work. However, this is probably just an issue with my individual card because I’ve heard that newer cards tend to be better and mine is over 11 years old. For drivers, most distros have an automatic driver install process in the software manager. If your card is fairly new, it should work just fine.
- For the foreseeable future, the Plasma spin of Fedora (I don’t read up on the GNOME see much) will allow you to use the Xorg or Wayland sessions as you see fit. All it takes is for you to log out, switch the session, and log back in.
- Proton works just fine on Fedora. In fact, Nobara (a prominent gaming-focused distro) is built on Fedora.
- As long as Steam has the necessary permissions in your permission manager it should work fine. I run Steam as a Flatpak and I haven’t run into any issues because of it (yet).
- The anti-cheat question is a bit tougher. Some games work just fine but others just don’t. I would recommend that you check each of your games for anti-cheat compatibility before fully committing. If you have your heart set on playing League of Legends or Valorant, for example, you’re unfortunately going to need Windows.
I hope this info helps. Please feel free to ask for more clarification!
Wow this is extremely helpful. If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on Nobara Linux. A few comments have recommended it to me
I also have an extra question. In your opinion, what difficulties are there in switching desktop environments/ window managers. I’d like to experiment a bit and would like your opinion.
Not the original commenter, but Nobara is a great distro if gaming is your focus. It’s tweaked specifically for that purpose and has built up a strong community. I just hate that they use Discord for support.
Switching DEs can get messy in my experience with leftover packages and such. It’s best, in my opinion, to experiment in VMs and go from there, then go with a clean install when you make your choice. That’s what I did with KDE.
Also if OP is hell bent on testing DEs on hardware, I recommend installing fedora silverblue and rebasing betweens the spins to try out KDE, Gnome, budgie, sway(and a few more provided the universal blue developers). This way you can can safely try out the DEs without the mess of leftover packages and without losing your data.
Also @Doctor_Rex@lemmy.ml remember to install the nvidia specific images from ublue. They will come the nvidia drivers preinstalled.
This 100%! I had some trouble installing Nobara so I’ve never technically tried it but I think they’ve sorted the issue out.
I can personally vouch for Nobara, is pretty good
Can confirm Gnome has Wayland/xorg switching in the same manner.
Yes but I’ve heard they might be planning on going Wayland only for Fedora 40. I could be completely wrong though which is why I only mentioned Plasma.
How do I install Nvidia drivers
On fedora it’s simple, you enable 3rd party repositories during install and then you install it from the software center.
Does Wayland work with Nvidia
Your experience will vary, it works fine for some and not so fine for others afaik.
Most distros are moving to Wayland, how do I ensure an Xorg session.
Distros that are moving to Wayland still provide an Xorg session and probably will do so for the foreseeable future.
Will proton work on fedora.
Yes. Proton is distro independent, it’s a tool, provided by steam and it doesn’t really care what distro you are running. Remember to enable steamplay for all games from the steam settings before you do anything else.
Will installing steam as a flatpaks work?
Yes. I’ve heard that some people have had issues with the steam flatpak, but I personally haven’t, it should work fine.
Can you not play anticheat games.
Entirely depends on the game you wanna play. Some anticheat games work, others don’t. Check the game you wanna play on protondb to see if it works. That being said, afaik anticheat support outside steam is basically a non existent, so if you like playing valorant (you poor, poor soul) or Fortnite for example, you’re kinda out of luck, unless you wanna dual boot.
Note: Try the distro before installing, live ISOs exist for a reason.
Note 2: Take a look at ventoy
First of all Fedora is a great distro and I do suggest it if you like it, otherwise I suggest Nobara(fedora based) or Pop_OS(ubuntu LTS based) as they both have iso’s that come with nvidia drivers pre installed. Nobara has steam pre installed too.
(quick note about Nobara: beside pretty much being Fedora customized(and optimized) for gaming and made more user friendly it is maintained by only one devoloper. This person is the creator of the popular proton version ProtonGE and a Red Hat employee, “Glorious Eggroll” and it is still FOSS so trust shouldn’t be an issue BUT due to the small number of maintainers it is more likely to break and should be considered somewhat experimental, despite this it is my daily driver and fave distro)
I use wayland just fine with an rtx 3060 but it js unstable for many othera and you can choose witch session you wanna boot into (x11 or wayland) on the login screen so that shouldn’t be problem to find which works the best for you
I Mod FNV and FO4 using MO2 on linux it works fine but the initial set up was a little painfull.
Steam should work fine both as native package and Flatpak. and proton works with any distro
Many games with anticheat work with linux and many don’t you can check your games on areweanticheatyet.com
Sounds like an opportunity has opened up to you. And I don’t know if you have anything to lose here. I’d take it and go on an adventure.
I mean, don’t do it if you got important stuff to finish. Or if you cannot adapt to a new workflow. But -for example- Fedora is super easy to install. And in the long run Linux will save you time and headache and it’s tough and somewhat easy to maintain. And you can always delete it and switch back to Windows if you like.
NVidia isn’t the best, but lots of people use it and it works somewhat alright.
Linux Mint with driver manager would save the day!
Usually it’s just about the NVidia drivers. I’ve never had an laptop where those tools detected or installed anything else. I mean all the drivers are supposed to come with the Linux kernel per default, and you don’t need to worry.
Broadcom wireless drivers was also something I needed the mint driver manager for
Go for it. Switching to Linux has never been easier than it is today. I still keep a Windows virtual machine for when I need to use specific Windows applications, but aside from that I have been running Linux on my work and gaming machines for two years now with zero issues.
I’m surprised to hear you had problems with Proton - in my experience it has been seamless, although there are still some titles that don’t work so well with it. I don’t play any games that require anti-cheat, though, so there is that.
It’s never easy to say which distro is best, because every user and every machine is different. I personally recommend Nobara instead of Fedora, as a lot of the post-install tweaking is already done for you and it should even install the latest Nvidia drivers for you as well.
Just to clarify on the proton thing, its an issue I faced on my old 80TJ Lenovo ideapad. I assume it’s a hardware issue as Vulkan doesn’t seem to work, and it has 4 gigs of ram. There’s also the fact its over 9 years old.
I’m not really searching for a solution to my laptops problems, but thanks for the insight.
If you don’t mind me asking what difficulties would I face switching desktop environments/ window managers as I’d like to experiment a bit(on my desktop).
Ah, ok.
As far as DE-hopping, it does come with some problems. At the very least, you will have a ton of different apps installed, as each DE will want its own file manager, terminal, etc. At worst, you will get conflicts and it can end up a right mess.
I would personally keep a separate virtual machine or Ventoy USB separate from your main machine, as it will give you the freedom to mess around with different desktops to your heart’s content. If that isn’t an option for whatever reason, then at the very least make sure you create a separate user account for each separate WM/DE you install so that shit doesn’t break.
I’m sorry, I don’t have time to address your questions individually but you should check out Nobara Linux, it is Fedora modded heavily for gamers and they have a version with Nvidia drivers pre installed. It works near perfectly out of the box, I haven’t tried mod organizers but Lutris works great for any game that doesn’t run thru Steam Proton.
You’re getting a lot of good advice. Whatever distro you decide to use, try to find a live CD that lets you use it on the PC without installing it. That should ease your mind tremendously.
Fedora is a great foundation for stability and up to date software. I personally use Ultramarine Linux; it’s a general purpose distro based on Fedora, but with more desktop environments, more available packages, more media codecs (plain fedora leaves out a bunch of codecs that you need to play audio or video files), and some more sane defaults. Even with all that, it isn’t noticeably more bloated than Fedora; it just gives you more options and makes it so that you don’t have to follow a “Things You MUST Do After I stalling Fedora” article.
Wayland works with Nvidia in my experience, and Wayland is remarkably stable and xorg-compatible. Folks will argue about that, but it’s been great for the few years I’ve used it on my laptop and desktop. I know at least Ultramarine installs both, and you can switch between them on the login screen, so give it a shot.
If your games don’t work, it’s quite normal to dual boot windows just for gaming.
Also, you might consider making your home folder a separate partition. That means you can reinstall and switch distros while leaving your documents and media and such in place. That said, partitioning manually is hard to get the hang of; let me know if you want some help on that front.
How would I install NVIDIA drivers?
Depends on the distro, but you usually just need to look around in the settings, it’s pretty easy.