• XIIIesq@lemmy.world
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      The only drug I take is alcohol, I still don’t think someone should be criminalised for getting high.

      I especially don’t think that the way to cure drug addiction is to throw people in to prison. Drug problems need to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one. No happy and healthy person ever woke up and just decided to get addicted to heroin.

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        No, consumers should not be treated like dealers. They’re not criminals, but victims of themselves that need therapy.

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          Therapy makes sense when people have problems in their life.

          It is very well possible to consume drugs like marijuana without developing a dependance, and especially without getting any problems in life. Which means, without indicating any therapy.

          The opposite also happens, and therapy for those who struggle definitely makes sense. It just does not make sense to generalize this way.

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            If someone uses drugs it’s definitely as a means of evasion, so yeah, marijuana users should go to therapy no matter how they convince themselves and others to be “fine”

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              Do you drink alcohol? If yes, you need therapy according to your own statement. And so does every single other person on earth who consumes alcohol.

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              People use strategies of evasions in a zillion ways, most don’t involve any drugs (like making holidays to evade your everyday life), some involve legal drugs like alcohol (e.g. evade your social anxiety in social events). Using evasive strategies on it’s own is a normal part of live and in itself not a sufficient indicator for therapy. If the individual life suffers from it, then yes. What’s the point of doing therapy with someone who is fine, after all? All while people who actually suffer struggle to get any therapy to begin with?

              We could also very well argue that all of these ways in which people use evasive strategies would be worth of therapy. I could get behind that (though there are good reasons against it, too), but see no reason to single out marijuana then.

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                Someone who regularly drinks alcohol to forget how shitty their life is currently being definitely deserves therapy

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                  So there were a couple of thoughts in my comment, a few perspectives and nuances. You singled out one (or actually rather projected) which suits your view which you don’t want to change. There were many other ways to engage in a constructive way, which you evaded.

                  By your logic, don’t you need therapy now? Evasion bad, right?

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      Making/keeping drugs illegal is the biggest funding program for organized crime there ever has been in human history. Every serious criminologist will tell you that the war on drugs has never done anything against drug abuse.

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        They seem to believe a lot of nonsense. So i wouldnt take their claims for much.

        That said while there is a clinical difference between physically and psychological addiction I personally vouch for a more open approach that different people can experience and suffer from addiction in multiple ways. There is also some evidence that similar to allergies some rare people can be physically addicted to anything.

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          Unfortunately, they already said blatantly in a response to me that it is physically addictive. I am waiting for evidence.

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              No, that is not evidence of physical addiction. People struggle to stop gambling. That doesn’t mean gambling is physically addictive.

              When I ask for evidence, I am asking for an academic study that agrees with you. That should have been obvious.

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                  You, again, could say the same about gambling. I think you aren’t providing any studies because studies would not agree with you.

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                  I met dozens if not hundreds of people who did exactly that. Most indefinitely. Usually without any therapeutic help.

                  Because it is not physically addictive. It can be psychologically addictive, yes, and some people really do struggle to stop using it. Though most users can quit relatively easy and usually do when they need to be more responsible in their life; ‘grow up’.

                  Can you find a scientific source supporting your stance? Something like (but rather the opposite of) “Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.”?