• acargitz@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    Germany equating its historic debt to Jewish people with support for a particular state is an absolutely disgusting distortion of the German obligation of remembrance.

    Just like this, they throw under the bus any anti-Zionist Jew.

    Honestly, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, the German state should just do what their other genocide victim, Namibia, told them to do and Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Stay the fuck out of it. Say the honorable thing that you will abide by the rulings of international courts. Provide humanitarian aid, help refugees and displaced people. Be a ray of light and humanity, not a stickler for rules and definitions. Don’t be so goddamn fucking German for a change.

    • smiletolerantly@awful.systems
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      1 year ago

      What this person said.

      ~ sincerely, a German

      (Seriously though, the situation here is intense. Our minister of education is currently under pressure to resign by the scientific community (which she refuses to do) because her ministry was looking for ways to defund / revoke grants to 400 university researchers who had criticized the way in which a pro-Palestinian protest was handled. That’s all it takes.)

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      its historic debt to Jewish people

      One would assume this debt would be repaid with German lands and monies, rather than land and money looted from Arabs a continent away.

      Honestly, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, the German state should just do what their other genocide victim, Namibia, told them to do and Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

      Yeah, crazy how the Germans are full throated supporters of Israel, but you never see them waving big Nambia flags and asserting the rights of African state sovereignty. I’m forced to wonder why, as I flip through my history book of “German Prime Ministers After 1949”.

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      Not accepting israels right to exist is a call for genocide against israel. Israel exists and has the right to exist. You can recognize that and still be against Netanyahus government.

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        By that logic the creation of israel was a genocidal act in itself because it created a right for a people to eist where others were existing previously.

        If removing the right to exist of the Palestinian people is perfectly acceptable why is it necessary to keep chanting support for the rights of the aggressor?

      • acargitz@lemmy.ca
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        Israeli jews have the right to life, freedom, safety. They have the right to a home in the Holy Lands.

        They don’t have the right to set up a Jewish supremacist apartheid state to deny the same rights to everyone else.

        The state that they have created and entrenched with genocide and “facts on the ground” no longer has legitimacy to exist in its present form. Because of its entrenchment I don’t see how it can be reformed.

        So instead, ending this political entity to establish a new democratic one seems to be the surest way out of this mess.

        This is not a call for genocide by any stretch of imagination.

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      That’s the dumbest take ever. Look up the history of Israel and then tell us again how “it’s just a random state why does Germany care lol” isn’t.

      • acargitz@lemmy.ca
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        I didn’t say it’s a random state, I said it was a particular one. It is one particular expression of Jewishness, when others also exist. Precisely because of the history of Germany, the German state has no business whatsoever to play arbiter about which version of Jewishness is the most authentic.