• samokosik@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Yes, let the capitalists flee, so there is no one to pay the taxes. That seems like a very wise plan.

    In addition, every company needs just workers. Management, engineers and so on are practically useless.

    This would surely work very well.

    Hint: You can actually see how brilliantly it worked during 1940s-1990s in the countries under Warsaw pact.

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        2 months ago

        So essentially no one can leave then? First you say that capitalists should leave but workers stay. Then you say managers and engineers are workers…

        So essentially you want everyone to stay?

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          2 months ago

          I see you don’t understand the most basic division between the working class and the owning class

          You have no class consciousness.

          I feel bad that I mocked you earlier, you don’t have clear ideas about what capitalism is, what the working class is, or how our economic system is based on economic dictatorship by wealthier people over poorer people.

          Socialism is about making the economy into a democracy, you don’t want your private life or public life controlled by a dictator, why your work life? That’s half your waking hours. You’re living in a dictatorship for half the time you’re conscious.

          The workers should own what they produce, that includes management, it includes “skilled” labor and “unskilled” labor. It includes everyone but the shareholders and private owners who are a parasite.

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            2 months ago

            First of all, I do not see how our lives are based on a dictatorship by wealthier people.

            How do you then want to democratize the economy? Do you want companies to have a structure where everyone votes?

            You know, there is a significant difference between a state and a company. When you dislike a company, you can very easily just move to another one, when you feel abused by your boss, you can change the job anytime. In most countries, we have no laws that prohibit you from changing your job. On the other hand, to get a citizenship in my country, you need to live here realistically for 8 years. What I am trying to say here is that even if a company has a terrible leadership, it’s not the end of the world. It will probably end bankrupt but people can still find a job somewhere else. On the other hand, incompetent leading of a state can impact life more seriously and most importantly an individual cannot change the situation easily.

            Last but not least you are saying that shareholders and private owners are parasites is not true at all. They give money to the company. Without that, you can have skilled employees but will they work for the sake of enjoying life in a democratic company? I highly doubt.

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              2 months ago

              you really can’t imagine anything else can you? this is what’s called “capitalist realism”

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                  2 months ago

                  Yes it appears to be your deity.

                  You really don’t understand the alternatives, it’s clear from this thread.

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                    2 months ago

                    There is a difference between not understanding the alternatives and providing reasons why they are overall worse.