• ummthatguy@lemmy.world
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    Hell, even ensign Sonya Gomez who spilled hot chocolate all over Picard made it to captain. Not that I’m seeking any justice for Harry, it’s just fun pointing out everyone else’s success.

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      Throw T’lyn (promoted after a short stint of time served offscreen) and Tom Paris in too.

      The Tom Paris one was absurd and Harry was right to call it out when Paris made lieutenant again before he was even considered.

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      No no, Harry deserves justice. 7 years ensign and even flew back in time to save them. Na starfleet did him dirty

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          Well, kinda. The original Voyager and crew split into two equally original iterations and the Harry and Naomi from Iteration 1 died and were replaced by the Harry and Naomi from Iteration A. He’s technically still the same Harry that left the Alpha Quadrant with them. It’s like when a cell divides; neither one is the original or the duplicate.

            • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.net
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              I’m mostly going by the logic I am sure Star Fleet would use. The second iteration of Harry wasn’t in this Star Fleet, and only began his career the moment he joined this version of Voyager. They’ve kinda shafted other duplicates like that before, like with 2nd Riker.

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                If you think about it, logically, Tom is the original Riker and Will is the duplicate. Typically, the transporter moves mass from A to B, but can replace mass that’s been lost along the way as a fail-safe. The missing original mass is either left at Point A or scattered along the transport path. The most likely thing that happened is that the transporter’s fail-safe systems went overboard when they failed to pick up Riker’s mass - rather than aborting transport as failed, it deemed it a successful transport with 100% missing mass and replaced every atom of Riker with spares on the transporter pad. Will is a transporter clone, Tom is the original.

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                  I don’t think it works like that. It’s Stargate logic. You get scanned, then deconstructed into energy, then stored in the energy banks. At that point you are gone, there is just a surplus of power in the system, and a blueprint of how to make you. It then transmits the energy elsewhere, then reknits it back into matter. But it’s not like it just takes the “you,” energy, and of course there’s no way to make the energy that was your hand back into your hand. Everybody is a transport clone, the originals all died ages ago.

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      Harry did make captain in the alternate timeline where voyager took 21 years to get home.

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        I’d like to think that half the crew died along the way, and it got to the point where promotions were being handed out just to keep the ranks filled.

        “Shit, we lost another commander. Lets promote one of the remaining lietenants and…hey, Harry, how do you feel about getting another pip?”

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    This community must be the most fun and original on the whole of Lemmy, lmao.

    I love it

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      Hell yeah, I have yet to catch up (still watching TOS), but the memes were the reason I finally started watching it a couple of weeks ago.

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    Remember when Kelvin Spock just left Kirk on some random ass planet to fucking die?

    Good times.

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      Spock ejected Kirk on a planet with an M-Class atmosphere that also had a Starfleet outpost nearby to the landing zone. Kirks survival wasn’t guaranteed but he wasn’t exactly marooned and left for dead.

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        If he wasn’t leaving him for dead would have sent him to the outpost. Not off in the middle of some ice wasteland with deadly monsters. He didn’t even give him a phaser did he? Kirk had to just fight it?

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          Well, first off, the escape pod explicitly stated to wait in the pod until Starfleet retrieved him. We also don’t know if there was a phaser in the pod or not. Kirk came out of the pod with a duffle bag that contained cold weather gear and a communicator. There may have been a phaser but Kirk might have chosen not to use it. Kirk saw it running at him and decided to run from it. While running, something even larger showed up and continued to chase Kirk. Also, I can’t say that I’d have chosen to shoot it. The first creature was huge but the second was enormous. There’s a chance the phaser would work, sure, but there’s also just as much of a chance that it would just piss it off. Considering the distance it was coming from, I’d also have chosen to haul ass to look for shelter.

          But even then. your theory makes too heavy an assumption. Mainly that the escape pod can be landed either at the outpost, within close distance, or that atmospherics of the planet won’t impact the location of the drop pod. It was a cylindrical escape pod. In space it would have some ability to maneuver using thrusters but once it hit the atmosphere they would have become virtually worthless. Minor course correction maybe, mostly orientation of the pod, but not enough to hold to a perfect course.

          Kirk was put in an escape pod that landed within a couple of hours walk from a Starfleet outpost. The pod had a homing beacon and a warning was played to Kirk to stay in the pod and wait for retrieval by Starfleet authorities. Kirk put himself in danger. To say he was left to die is pretty huge stretch of what happened.

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    Putting Kim’s head on that guy is quite possibly the best use of that pic I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen some damn funny versions. Nice!

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    Poor Data never got a promotion through seven seasons and four movies. The only time he held higher rank might have been the alternate future the Romulans manufactured for Riker on a holodeck to try to trick him into revealing secrets.

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      During the Klingon civil war, he was temporarily made Captain of the USS Sutherland

      This is also where Data shows serious BDE to his racist(?) first officer.

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        Captain, as in head of the ship, not the rank. He was still Lt. Cmdr. Unless I’m missing remembering the episode

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          Yeah that’s like saying the person in charge of the duty night shift is Captain while they have the bridge. Sitting in the Captain’s chair =/= Captain.

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      He briefly served as Captain during TNG Gambit 1 and 2. And he made damn sure Worf knew it too!

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          Same. I genuinely think that was Worf realizing what he did and being legitimately afraid of losing a friend. We don’t see that soft human side of Worf very often. We also know that Data can miss people so when Data said he’s sorry if it damaged the friendship… That’s one of the closest examples of Data being human, in my opinion.

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      He did lose control of himself on multiple occasions, even endangering the whole ship…

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        So did Picard, a number of times. “Bridge officer goes cuckoo” is a standard theme. Geordi was turned into a Romulan assassin. Worf de-evolves and kills multiple members of the crew.

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    Harry Kim follows the same ethos that Beckett Mariner does. Higher rank means more responsibility, more accountability, and less fun. He’s happy where he is and bless him for it.

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      Somebody ought to ask Garrett Wang what he thinks about that. (Remind me 11 months from now and I’ll do it at next year’s Dragon Con if I get the chance.)

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        It’s going to remain my headcanon for now. I’ve started to imagine a subculture within Starfleet of people who join for the experience but not for the ambition of rank and authority.