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Cake day: June 13th, 2023

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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

    France is one of the five “Nuclear Weapons States” under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, but is not known to possess or develop any chemical or biological weapons.[4][5] France is the only member of the European Union to possess independent (non-NATO) nuclear weapons. France was the fourth country to test an independently developed nuclear weapon, doing so in 1960 under the government of Charles de Gaulle. The French military is currently thought to retain a weapons stockpile of around 300[6] operational (deployed) nuclear warheads, making it the fourth-largest in the world, speaking in terms of warheads, not megatons.[7] The weapons are part of the country’s Force de dissuasion, developed in the late 1950s and 1960s to give France the ability to distance itself from NATO while having a means of nuclear deterrence under sovereign control.














  • it might have been restarted later, but it would have stopped first

    Fascism doesn’t stop until everyone internalizes that fascism is a terrible ideology. And then keeps teaching that to new generations.

    this happened. it was real. it likely still is real. atop denying history to spare fucking Nazis.

    Killing people won’t kill their ideas. The myth of lost cause would still have been spread by non-slave owners. It just would have taken longer. People don’t have to directly learn about fascism from a 20th century fascist to become fascists. Even if every living Nazi, fascist, and confederate sympathizer dropped dead right now we would run into this problem sooner rather than later. Ideas and information are freely available on the internet. They circulate faster than ever before. If we don’t defeat these ideas then we will keep having this problem no matter how many people die.


  • so why are you arguing with me?

    I was agreeing with you. I added my two cents.

    hard disagree. it would have stopped. maybe somebody would have dug it up later and started it back up, but it would have stopped.

    People who weren’t Nazis knew what fascism was. Fascists wrote books and gave speeches. Fascism would still exist in peoples’ minds as a concrete idea that can be communicated to other people even if no Nazis survived the war.

    I met them. their grandchildren and great children, at family reunions. they worked hard to craft and propagate these myths. they were proud of it. expected their grandchildren to keep it up.

    People who didn’t own slaves spread the myth as well. Killing entire families of slave owners would not have stopped this.

    The fascists and confederate sympathizers of today aren’t necessarily direct biological descendants of those in the past. They are ideological descendants.


  • don’t think I referred to tfem as a race but I could have. I’m not super likely to bother scrolling up for a hezbarite though.

    I was referring to the poster above you.

    the ideas could have been spread by people who weren’t Nazis, but were I’m this actual extant timeline spread by actual Nazis.

    My point is that killing all Nazis wouldn’t have prevented Fascism from spreading.

    american civil war was the same. every one of those slaver families needed to die. every adult, and possibly the children, if they weren’t adopted out

    Killing all slave owners wouldn’t have stopped the Lost Cause of the Confederacy myth which is responsible for the confederate sympathizers we have today. The myth is an idea and can be spread by people who don’t own slaves.


  • I thought one of the best lessons was that you don’t deal with an aggressive and genocidal nation through appeasement.

    That was also one of the lessons. It’s why we are sending weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia and plan on defending Taiwan against China.

    We should be fighting against Israel, not appeasing them.

    It would be a lot easier to do that if we hadn’t be allied with Israel for over 75 years. It’s not normal for allies to turn on each other like that.

    Regardless, there can be more than one lesson from a historical event. Fascism is an idea. It has to be fought with other ideas.