• febra@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.

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      you think WW3 is starting because of Israel? Can I also get under the rock your been living under, must be nice there.

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        Israel is a prominent member of the global western capitalistic hegemony, and they are escalating tensions with their genocide and attack on Iran. I wouldn’t say they’re the only ones responsible, but they do share a large portion of the blame.

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        Israel is not only at the very center of the world (look at maps: it’s very much the geographic center. That’s why we call it middle east.)

        it’s also reckless and like a dying star, a supernova. it blows up without regards to casualties. it is a very dangerous situation that we’re in indeed.

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            fair

            i guess most western maps are arranged in such a way that the middle east is in the center and the atlantic is on the map completely because

            1. the atlantic has probably been more important historically than the pacific, as europeans sailed over the atlantic, not the pacific.

            2. the pacific ocean is a bigger body of water, so having it on the “back” side of the globe makes sense because this way, you have a more uninteresting back-side of the globe and a more interesting front-side.

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              No, they are not. I really suggest you look at an European map. Algeria/Mali are in the center of the map, depending on how much Antarctica is included.

              Maps are normally centered roughly around the region you buy them in. European maps are centered on the 0 meridian, because it fits so nicely while keeping the European countries around the center. The 0 meridian was just defined by the Brits as going through Greenwich.

              The bottom is cut of more, because Antarctica is less interesting than Canada, Greenland and Siberia.

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          I dont see the potential for global conflict.

          Israel and Iran have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It’s a regional conflict, and regional it will remain.

          Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we’re all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

          (That being said, is Netanyahu a deplorable asshat? Absolutely yes – but for different reasons)

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            Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we’re all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

            At this point, I would be fine with Iran having the bomb. I really don’t see any evidence that they would behave more recklessly with it than Israel does.

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              cue Oprah

              YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, YOU GET THE BOMB, EVERYONE GETS THE BOMB!


              Them not behaving more recklessly than Israel is unfortunately not a high bar; which given their past actions I’m not sure they’d pass. I’d like to err on the side of caution here.

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                Iran has a right to self defense. Them getting the bomb is the side of caution here. Otherwise they will keep being attacked by Israel and it’s allies

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                  for starters, If you’d like to immerse yourself into the system of Middle Eastern clients and proxies, you will have an especially fun and long day going through the rather noxious minions of Iran.

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            “have been trading blows for decades now. Some direct, many indirect. It’s a regional conflict, and regional it will remain.”

            Lol, this sounds like a quote from someone in 1914 being catastrophicly wrong.

            Every now and then, Israel acts to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power – and honestly, we’re all the better for it, the world does not need another set of religious crazies to have nukes.

            But apparently we do need religious crazies who already have nukes, are in the middle of a massive genocide, are attacking and occupying multiple other countries, and have ambitions of conquering the whole middle east, to act as World Police?

            You’re literally endorsing war crimes.

            Netanyahu a deplorable asshat

            By “deplorable asshat”, you mean the fascist leader of a genocidal ethnostate currently launching multiple wars of aggression.

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              Lol, this sounds like a quote from someone in 1914 being catastrophicly wrong.

              …or from someone describing one of the scores of conflicts since where “regional” has been a fitting description

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        Yeah sounds like you’re under deep rock for so long, you mistake the sky for an even larger rock.

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    I’d find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn’t support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes

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      It’s very mean of Germany that foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation.

      How can they do such a suppression of free speech?

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        foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation

        What are you referring to here?

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          About the handful “poor and innocent protestors” which the Berlin government tried to deport for taking part in a violent occupation of the Berlin Free University, which then tried to claim this was a retaliation for “simple demonstrating against Israel.”

          https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/besetzung-an-der-freien-universitat-berlin-beendet-vermummte-anti-israelische-aktivisten-sturmten-prasidium--70-polizisten-vor-ort-12550436.html

          Here are some pictures of the damages caused inside the university

          https://www.rbb24.de/politik/beitrag/2025/04/berlin-humboldt-universitaet-hoersaal-besetzung-protest-schaden-bilder-zerstoerung.html

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            Awesome. And it worked because it got the media to focus on the genocide even if it took further escalation and even if it was negative press. This is an entirely righteous and historically common way to raise attention that hey our government and university is complicit in the murder of 10s of thousands of kids and civilians. This is no different than the white rose resistance. Good for these students. They are heros who are risking their education, rights, and careers to give a voice to those who may not have one.

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              Oh so threatening innocent people with violence and thrashing public universities is righteous?

              Completely disgusting. Cheering criminal activities is also a criminal offence in Germany

              Also the Weiße Rose never attacked innocent people. So don’t dirt their name by comparing them to these people

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                While I don’t tend to idolize America be any means, at least we have of freedom of speech. You focus on a protest in the context of a native ethnic group getting wiped off the face of the earth. There is mass starvation and civilian targeting. Its terrible that one person was injured and it’s terrible this is what it takes for people to pay attention, but compared to genocide? You need to take a look at your priorities.

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                  Wow, another comparison dumb as a rock. So if I murder an innocent person to get attention for Palestine, it’s also okay, because compared to Genocide it’s also not that bad?

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    Last time, germany at least had the guts to spearhead the reich. This time they’re just a bootlicker, following their imperialist friends.

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      Oh come on, tell me your country, then we can start the blaming game, in which we both can’t change shit due to our politics!

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    They have a big share in the current state of affairs, whether it is the genocide of the Palestinian people or the complete failure of Europe. the German state hasn’t changed a fucking bit

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        I’m being hyperbolic, but whenever tensions hit the EU members will just go back to their old ways, the idea European states will somehow unify in face of a threat is absolutely laughable, no Belgian soldier will ever take orders from a polish sergeant.

        When the question was asked of “How will we pay for covid” The dutch gov was instantly saying they “won’t pay for those lazy southerners”

        The EU alliance always was about monetary gain, not building an actual coherent political entity.

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        Probably the endless degradation of worker rights, welfare state, salaries and infrastructure since 2008, coupled with the rise of the far right?

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      I think Germany stopped invading Poland and killing Jews in gas chambers. So I’d say Germany changed at least a little bit.

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        Germany happily joined the bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, and the invasion of Iraq. Just because now it’s brown people dying, it doesn’t make it better.

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          Don’t quite remember Germany being in Iraq or Lybia lately. Also, while being a bit rusty on my history, wasn’t the military involvement in Yugoslavia to stop the genocide on the local Muslim, or, as you call them, brown, population?

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            as you call them, brown

            I was obviously being critical of the disregard westerners exercise on the lives of those they consider non-whites, sorry you’re too obtuse to see that.

            Don’t quite remember Germany being in Iraq or Lybia lately

            Sorry, you’re right, I mixed up German involvement in the invasion of Afghanistan with Iraq. Germany did participate in the bombing of Libya during the NATO maneuvers that ended up precipitating the murder of Gaddafi and the Libyan Civil War.

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    Fuck Iran. Their government is way worse than Israel’s. Do I need to remind everyone that they’re feeding Russia with the drones that they use to attack civilians in Ukraine?

    Here’s hoping that Iran’s next revolution won’t end up in a total disaster like the previous one did.

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      Their government is way worse than Israel’s.

      You can just come out and say you don’t think non-white people are human.

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      As much as you hate Russia’s actions in Ukraine, Israel is literally committing a genocide, how can you say that’s not worse than giving drones to Russia?

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          I don’t abide by ICJ rulings, I abide by credible reporting and evidence. Compare the civilian deaths ratio in the Ukraine invasion (however bad they may be) to the one in Palestine

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            Yes a higher civilian death ratio in Gaza but the Ukraine military are not in civilian areas.

            Admittedly Russia actually targets civilians but it is with long range missiles and drones, most of which get intercepted.

            That article says Ireland is also trying to expand the definition of genocide to include Ukrainian deaths. I don’t know why it does not fit the definition currently; perhaps because Russia are not trying to wipe out the Ukrainian population? I dunno. Get back to us if you find out.

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              Yeah but according to the current legal definition, looking at the evidence, I can confidently claim it’s a genocide

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                No, not according to the current definition. That is why Ireland is trying to change it. Words change all the time so it is possible.

                That would equate Gaza and Ukraine with the Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia, the nature and magnitude of which were very different. Perhaps they could create a new word for those?

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                  equate Gaza and Ukraine with

                  Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.

                  No, not according to the current definition

                  Can you post the current definition? I’m happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it’s a genocide in the case of Gaza because there’s a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.

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      I take comfort in knowing I would be decimated before even realizing what’s happening in the case on a full-on nuclear warfare.