The EU is setting up a high-level group of political and military leaders from member states, Ukraine and the UK to speed up efforts to close Europe’s defence capability gaps amid rising Russian threats.

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    3 days ago

    As long as Russia is fighting in Ukraine, it’s no threat. The EU has to make sure that Russia doesn’t win in Ukraine.

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      I don’t know. Ukraine is only holding up because of the support from other countries, mainly EU. So the EU getting involved in a conflict of their own might be turning the tide for Russia in Ukraine. It might even be Putin’s only straw left.

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        No, Russia doesn’t have the strength to fight both the EU and Ukraine. Putin is concentrating on defeating Ukraine. The EU must make sure it doesn’t.

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          Starting a small conflict probably needs way less resources than defending against it. Remember how the NATO had to use fighter jets against some cheap drones entering its territory.

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            Correct, it’s not smart to just play defense but Europe could provide more weapons and even send troops into Ukraine.

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      3 days ago

      The threat is real. Russia is engaging in lots of psyops in central Europe lately, they have lots of hidden agents.

      They may not be able to beat Europe with conventional warfare, but they can definitely cause huge chaos to vital infrastructure and influence politics.

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          It’s true that the US basically is currently in control of Europe’s entire digital infrastructure, but they did not act on it.

          Russia already used NSA backdoors to launch attacks against Europe, see Petya.

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            I mean the psyops to undermine local politics bit. Russia deliberately boosted Trump and MAGA like they’re doing for Europe’s far-right movements.

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          They won’t send troops over hospitals closing down due to malware or party/election information getting leaked. Russias plan of action is to destabilize in the long term, not send a missile over to activate defense treaties.

    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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      Ukraine is not going to win by invading Russia. Best case scenario Russia will leave occupied territories but will maintain weapon production capabilities their ramped up during the war. In a year or two they will restock and will be ready for another war. EU basically has to keep the war in Ukraine going until they are ready to defend themselves, no matter if Ukraine wins or looses.

      And even if the war will not end for some time Russia will be able to stage smaller attacks to destabilize European markets and terrorize its citizens. That’s all they need. They don’t have to invade whole EU to cause serious problems.

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        Ukraine doesn’t have the strength to invade Russia. Also, Russia has nuclear weapons. Europe cannot allow Russia to conquer Ukraine. With the addition of Ukraine, Russia would become more powerful.

        This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn’t accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

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      3 days ago

      Russia is just codename for “world powers”, which include the US and China.

      EU officials can’t just outright say we can’t trust our main ally anymore.