• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    Okay, so when I searched before I didn’t find any Hamas flags in the protest. Google is fucking garbage these days.

    Mea culpa.

    That said, she didn’t have to condemn everyone. She’s running against Donald “very fine people on both sides” Trump. He knows he needs to speak to the extremes in his base to win, it’s why he got even more votes in 2020 than in 2016, and she needs to speak to her own base too. Instead, she threw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Whatever. Maybe she’s just a coward and not willing to take a stand that would get attacked in the media. There’s a reason she won’t use the words “genocide” or “apartheid” or “settler-colonialism” or “war criminal”…

    Let’s see who her VP is, because if it’s Josh “volunteered for the IDF” Shapiro then it’s clear as day she’s pro-genocide

    (As an aside, flying Hamas’s colors does help to educate people about anticolonial resistance - it’s provocative, not wrong)

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      That said, she didn’t have to condemn everyone.

      Then it’s a good thing she didn’t, and specifically singled out pro-Hamas sentiment.

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        3 months ago

        She did not come out in support for any of the protesters, she condemned them all equally.

        But, like I said, let’s see if she chooses Josh Shapiro. That’ll tell us what we need to know.

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            Read her statement. She condemns and condemns and condemns, and doesn’t say anything about support for any of the protesters. She merely came out in support of protest as a general concept, but you can hardly read that as her supporting the right to protest against Israel or Netanyahu.

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              This is a convoluted uncharitable interpretation. She specifically condemns support of pro-Hamas graffiti and rhetoric. It’s disingenuous to read that as blanket condemnation of all pro-Palestinian protesters.

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                No where in her statement does she clarify that any of the people protesting Netanyahu were in the right. She didn’t go that extra step to show any solidarity with any of the protesters, and maybe that’s because she’s a coward and didn’t want to appear pro-Hamas. Yet, Trump wouldn’t do that to his base. He’d condemn violence in general and then say there were very fine people on both sides, and by doing so he became even more popular. Harris missed an opportunity to make her position more clear.

                In fact, she has been frustratingly vague about this entire situation! A ceasefire, but how long? Hostage release, but does that include the Palestinian hostages held by Israel? What about the ICC and ICJ decisions? What about UNRWA? Crickets…

                She needs to make her position clear, and I think her VP pick will clarify it for a lot of people.

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                  She specified her criticism was against pro-Hamas, and you’re saying because she didn’t make an additional redundant statement to clarify what that means that she’s implying something other than her literal words? And her call for ceasefire isn’t specific enough, despite the fact that she doesn’t have the authority to draft specific details anyway?

                  Your reading comprehension isn’t justification for extrapolating these wild hypotheticals.

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      Trump got that name trying to split that hair. And yeah I get the difference between the groups. But the entire point here is the American electorate at large doesn’t.

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        And the American electorate never will get the difference if politicians are too cowardly to make a stand.

        But Trump got more votes after trying to split that hair. It worked. It’s not even a bad strategic move.

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          It’s never been the big politicians who lead movements in the US, unless they came into office because of a movement. Even JFK didn’t do civil rights until the movement was big enough.

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            Yes, because US politicians are always opposed to change until it is forced upon them.

            Yet in other countries political figures can, in fact, lead political movements. Why is the US different?