So I’ve been trying to install the proprietary Nvidia drivers on my homelab so I can get my fine ass art generated using Automatic1111 & Stable diffusion. I installed the Nvidia 510 server drivers, everything seems fine, then when I reboot, nothing. WTF Nvidia, why you gotta break X? Why is x even needed on a server driver. What’s your problem Nvidia!
Nvidia does not ‘hate’ Linux, Nvidia simply never thinks about Linux. They need to keep secrets so people can’t buy the cheap card and with a little programming turn it into the expensive card.
I want to turn my cheap card into an expensive card with little programming
Of course you do. Nvidia wants you to buy the expensive card instead. Since they are almost the same card in some instances the only difference is knowing that you can change values in certain registers to make cheapcard act like expensivecard. I personally use Intel graphics and won’t have nvidea.
nvidia has always been hostile to open source, as far back as i can remember.
back when nvidia bought 3dfx they took down the source code for the open 3dfx drivers within days, if not on the same day. i remember because i had just gotten myself a sweet voodoo 5 some weeks before that, and the great linux support was the reason i chose it… of course the driver code survived elsewhere, but it told me all i needed to know about that company.
also: linus’ rant wasn’t just a fun stunt, it was necessary to get nvidia to properly cooperate with the open source community if they want to keep making money running linux on their hardware.
Nvidia doesn’t hate linux, it just don’t care and the linux community hates nvidia
amd didn’t care a few years ago, but their drivers are open, so the community can fix it even if the company don’t care(now amd care a lot more, so it’s better) nvidia is a closed source crap, and it don’t give a fuck too
I thought nvidis was opening their drivers some as of sometime last year. Still shit though.
It didnt open the parts of the driver that mattered
Companies love to use open source software to reduce their development costs. They hate to contribute back.
That’s not true. Some companies contribute. AMD does a great job fostering open source software. This is an Nvidia issue. They are a plague and I hope they one day lose market share for it.
They love to publish drivers that worked with like 1 release of X 5 years ago when the card came out and never update them.
Except when they update them and it breaks X.
Linux is their bread and butter when it comes to servers and machine learning, but that’s a specialized environment and they don’t really care about general desktop use on arbitrary distros. They care about big businesses with big support contracts. Nobody’s running Wayland on their supercomputer clusters.
I cannot wait until architecture-agnostic ML libraries are dominant and I can kiss CUDA goodbye for good. I swear, 90% of my tech problems over the past 5 years have boiled down to “Nvidia sucks”. I’ve changed distros three times hoping it would make things easier, and it never really does; it just creates exciting new problems to play whack-a-mole with. I currently have Ubuntu LTS working, and I’m hoping I never need to breathe on it again.
That said, there’s honestly some grass-is-greener syndrome going on here, because you know what sucks almost as much as using Nvidia on Linux? Using Nvidia on Windows.
I cannot wait until architecture-agnostic ML libraries are dominant and I can kiss CUDA goodbye for good
I really hope this happens. After being on Nvidia for over a decade (960 for 5 years and similar midrange cards before that), I finally went AMD at the end of last year. Then of course AI burst onto the scene this year, and I’ve not yet managed to get stable diffusion running to the point it’s made me wonder if I might have made a bad choice.
Switched to high powered AMD GPUs years ago… No regrets. Awesome graphics, better support, and a better price point usually.
I did have many regrets. Mainly overheating and the card eventually failing on me. Funny how these large companies ship their shit to “third world countries” so that people have a lower chance of returning their POS
I’ve seen this photo a bunch of times. Who is this guy? And why is high flipping the bird?
It’s the creator of the linux kernel. In the video he quote says “fuck you nvidia” lol
Linus Torvalds, creator of the linux kernel, flips the bird to nvidia and they deserve it
Other people have already told you who Linus is but if you want some context for the image it was from a Q&A: https://youtu.be/dmfDaxYhi9I?t=2864
Go to 47:46 if the link starts you at the beginning of the video (he starts to do the hand gesture at 49:28).
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Some nerd with an attitude problem and a severe lack of social graces.
It’s not that they hate it, they just don’t care at all.
Also, you should use your distro’s prepackaged driver - not the Nvidia installer.
Takes about 8 hrs to setup properly. But once you do set your Nvidia card with Linux, you just never update your OS and cry to sleep every night.
I’m hoping the recent explosion of AI/ML stuff will create more incentives for them to have proper support for desktop Linux, but I’m not counting on it.
Those are different drivers, or rather different parts of the driver.
CUDA has been a staple in HPC for years now and the situation didn’t exactly improve.
I’m gonna be that person… I rarely, if ever have issues with nvidia on Linux. Used several 30xx series cards for gaming over the last couple of years and it’s been a great experience.
Is it my distro (Void)?. is it because I’m happy staying on X11? Is it just luck? Interested to hear people’s gripes
I call them “novideo” because the nvidia GPU in a PC someone gave me was the bane of my existence on Linux. I ended up buying a Radeon for it because I got so tired of having no video after security updates. Nvidia seems to hate everybody except Windows for some reason. Even Apple ditched them long before they ditched Intel.
But yet, it seems like the majority of Linux users have nvidia anyway.
Nvidia seems to hate everybody except Windows for some reason.
It’s called money. Microsoft and all these big tech companies have lots of agreements with eachother to support certain choices and ignore others. This is also why Lenovo has very limited choice of amd processors, and if they put that in, it’s in a model with other serious flaws.
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>But yet, it seems like the majority of Linux users have nvidia anyway.Probably becouse it’s more popular among windows users, so when most people switch to linux from Windows, they use the hardware they already had, which more often than not includes an nvidia GPU
Are we just going to post this meme forever and ever here?
Even when we all perish, this meme will remain.
Yes. Whenever it’s fitting to say “fuck Nvidia!” So likely forever and ever and always.
You could just as yourself: has anything changed or is the situation still the same?
This meme will never die unless Intel and AMD surpasses NVIDIA on everything
535 drivers have been working fine for me in Ubuntu and Manjaro.
For now.
