Something about .ml and MLs in general is that they really just aren’t that large a group. If we want larger communities, Reddit is still much bigger than Lemmy. If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us. (That’s why MLs always equate Liberalism with fascism; if people can ally with Liberals MLs have basically nothing they can bring to a coalition, and so they can’t seize power.)
Unless you are a diehard right-winger, Liberals will always be more likely to betray you than anyone on the left. The causality is backwards here, liberals will always side with fascists over the left, thus they are identified as moderate-fascists. Just like how the Democrats want nothing more than to just be polite Republicans.
yes they are, Tankie has become so abused and meaningless as now only means anything to the left of Dick Cheney or not going along with US foreign policy.
Spanish Civil War, where the Soviet Union was the only foreign power to give large amounts of aid to the Republicans and France and Britain sat out, and US oil and other business interests backed Franco. Where there were divisions over tactics and priorities but where communists fought with the Republicans, and it is largely after the defeat and popularizers like Orwell that a stabbed in the back myths about communists came to prominence. Yes, the liberals were not a complete monolith, so there were some liberals with the Republicans.
Also, in an underdeveloped, still mostly feudal society, liberalism can still be a progressive force.
I am being short and glib since I was just responding to an epically dumb post. but if you want to know how fascism is a necessary outgrowth of liberalism and the need to protect and serve capitalism leads liberalism towards fascism in crisis.
Purged the Anarchists? No you are the lying disingenuous person here. If we were talking about the Russian Civil War, you might have something approaching a point.
Edit: proving the point, hatred over “tankies” is just that you don’t want your own positions or viewpoints challenged or questioned
Famously loyal and trustworthy liberals will never deliberately betray you lmao. Just hope they never find out if you have to break a law the fascists draw up to protect yourself or others 🚔🚔🚔
And hope that you’re not part of whichever group they’re throwing under the bus to appease the fascists either.
Liberals are trustworthy in the sense that whatever progressive policies they are capable of enacting will be done so with the assurance that grandma’s access to medication will not be impeded.
Communists are trustworthy in the sense that they absolutely intend to burn everything down to reshape the world in their image, and no sacrifice made in accomplishing that is too great.
Kind of obvious why people support a coalition with liberals more, huh?
I don’t know which of those two statements is more ridiculous. Liberals can absolutely not be trusted with stuff like protecting your grandma’s medication. For example, look at what Starmer did as soon as Labour got in power for the first time in ages, he ended winter home fuel subsidies and Labour’s popularity has plummeted.
In general, liberals are privileged elites who believe in the system because it works for them. If you ever find that the system has failed you, if you ever find yourself in need of a couch to sleep on, you’ll find out exactly how “reliable” people like that really are. Liberal politicians are even worse, being completely bought out by corporate interests, while liberal voters merely fail to hold them accountable.
Communists, meanwhile, are responsible for the vast majority of global poverty alleviation in the world - 700 million lifted out of poverty in China, according to the World Bank. Cuba has the highest number of doctors per capita in the world, and regularly sends them abroad for humanitarian aid. At one point, early in Covid, Vietnam offered to provide masks and supplies to the United States. Before, each of these countries had incredibly backwards, reactionary regimes with incredibly low standards of living, but once the communists took over, rather than “burning everything down,” they built schools and hospitals and infrastructure, and improved the quality of life for the vast majority.
In the US, the Black Panthers, who were constantly demonized as being these evil radicals who just wanted to burn everything down, are the reason why kids have food to eat at schools. Because they identified a need in their community, they recognized that kids were going hungry and were unable to learn and wound up stuck in a cycle of poverty, so they started a free breakfast program. The cops broke in and literally pissed on their food, they went door to door claiming it was poisoned, that they were just trying to teach kids to hate white people, and so on. When that didn’t work, finally the liberals caught wind of it and figured if the government provided those meals, it would stop the Panthers from using it to promote themselves, and that’s how it became a national program. They never would’ve done it without a bunch of scary black Marxists with guns doing it first, and using the opportunity to promote their ideas.
Never leave your mind palace. You’re the smartest person alive. You can write political theory completely on your own without ever looking out at the outside world just in your own head. It’s always perfect. You never have to define terms. You never have to explain mechanisms. And don’t you dare ever expose it to danger. Stay pithy my friend.
Something about .ml and MLs in general is that they really just aren’t that large a group. If we want larger communities, Reddit is still much bigger than Lemmy. If we want a flawed ally in politics, progressive liberals outnumber Leninists and are far less likely to deliberately betray us. (That’s why MLs always equate Liberalism with fascism; if people can ally with Liberals MLs have basically nothing they can bring to a coalition, and so they can’t seize power.)
Unless you are a diehard right-winger, Liberals will always be more likely to betray you than anyone on the left. The causality is backwards here, liberals will always side with fascists over the left, thus they are identified as moderate-fascists. Just like how the Democrats want nothing more than to just be polite Republicans.
Tankies aren’t leftists. Even assuming your statement is true, it doesn’t matter.
Spanish Civil War.
That’s not how being a political ally works. That’s just such a stupid take.
yes they are, Tankie has become so abused and meaningless as now only means anything to the left of Dick Cheney or not going along with US foreign policy.
Spanish Civil War, where the Soviet Union was the only foreign power to give large amounts of aid to the Republicans and France and Britain sat out, and US oil and other business interests backed Franco. Where there were divisions over tactics and priorities but where communists fought with the Republicans, and it is largely after the defeat and popularizers like Orwell that a stabbed in the back myths about communists came to prominence. Yes, the liberals were not a complete monolith, so there were some liberals with the Republicans.
Also, in an underdeveloped, still mostly feudal society, liberalism can still be a progressive force.
I am being short and glib since I was just responding to an epically dumb post. but if you want to know how fascism is a necessary outgrowth of liberalism and the need to protect and serve capitalism leads liberalism towards fascism in crisis.
https://www.amazon.com/Apprentices-Sorcerer-Tradition-Critical-Sciences/dp/1608462021
Purged the Anarchists, yes. That’s actually the biggest example of why MLs should literally never be trusted more than liberals.
Edit: actually, why the fuck am I even continuing this discourse? You’re obviously a lying piece of shit. Blocked.
Purged the Anarchists? No you are the lying disingenuous person here. If we were talking about the Russian Civil War, you might have something approaching a point.
Edit: proving the point, hatred over “tankies” is just that you don’t want your own positions or viewpoints challenged or questioned
Famously loyal and trustworthy liberals will never deliberately betray you lmao. Just hope they never find out if you have to break a law the fascists draw up to protect yourself or others 🚔🚔🚔
And hope that you’re not part of whichever group they’re throwing under the bus to appease the fascists either.
Liberals are trustworthy in the sense that whatever progressive policies they are capable of enacting will be done so with the assurance that grandma’s access to medication will not be impeded.
Communists are trustworthy in the sense that they absolutely intend to burn everything down to reshape the world in their image, and no sacrifice made in accomplishing that is too great.
Kind of obvious why people support a coalition with liberals more, huh?
I don’t know which of those two statements is more ridiculous. Liberals can absolutely not be trusted with stuff like protecting your grandma’s medication. For example, look at what Starmer did as soon as Labour got in power for the first time in ages, he ended winter home fuel subsidies and Labour’s popularity has plummeted.
In general, liberals are privileged elites who believe in the system because it works for them. If you ever find that the system has failed you, if you ever find yourself in need of a couch to sleep on, you’ll find out exactly how “reliable” people like that really are. Liberal politicians are even worse, being completely bought out by corporate interests, while liberal voters merely fail to hold them accountable.
Communists, meanwhile, are responsible for the vast majority of global poverty alleviation in the world - 700 million lifted out of poverty in China, according to the World Bank. Cuba has the highest number of doctors per capita in the world, and regularly sends them abroad for humanitarian aid. At one point, early in Covid, Vietnam offered to provide masks and supplies to the United States. Before, each of these countries had incredibly backwards, reactionary regimes with incredibly low standards of living, but once the communists took over, rather than “burning everything down,” they built schools and hospitals and infrastructure, and improved the quality of life for the vast majority.
In the US, the Black Panthers, who were constantly demonized as being these evil radicals who just wanted to burn everything down, are the reason why kids have food to eat at schools. Because they identified a need in their community, they recognized that kids were going hungry and were unable to learn and wound up stuck in a cycle of poverty, so they started a free breakfast program. The cops broke in and literally pissed on their food, they went door to door claiming it was poisoned, that they were just trying to teach kids to hate white people, and so on. When that didn’t work, finally the liberals caught wind of it and figured if the government provided those meals, it would stop the Panthers from using it to promote themselves, and that’s how it became a national program. They never would’ve done it without a bunch of scary black Marxists with guns doing it first, and using the opportunity to promote their ideas.
Who are ‘you’ in this equation? A boat dealership owner?
Pretty much anyone on the left.
Note: Tankies aren’t leftists.
Note 2: MLs are tankies.
Never leave your mind palace. You’re the smartest person alive. You can write political theory completely on your own without ever looking out at the outside world just in your own head. It’s always perfect. You never have to define terms. You never have to explain mechanisms. And don’t you dare ever expose it to danger. Stay pithy my friend.