- posted on *.world
“We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber”!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
I don’t think the meme makes sense. The ml users don’t seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they’d like.
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.
https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad
Here is a nice community that keeps track of their bullshit
ml makes sense on the fediverse. That’s kind of the whole point. Same with Linux.
I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.
It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, but I really don’t want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me is usually not the nicest version of myself.
Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don’t want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.
The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef’s kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.
If you can’t withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he’d personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance
We should leave the m federated on most instances as a honeypot for them. This way they don’t join other instances.
It’s like when you give a kid a video game controller without batteries.
Im already blocked on many of their subs. so I’m boycotting and I don’t have a choice
Can someone inform me about what’s wrong with lemmy.ml?
The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admins are tankies
Their users often argue for authoritarian regimes and deny genocides.
They are tankies
I am thinking about tanks, explain.
I’m confused. What are you saying? That word is thrown around against socialists. Tankies is often used to shut someone down and ignore what they’re saying no matter how correct it is, or how little it has to do with Marxism.
Socialism is not a problem.
Hell. Communism is not a problem.
Implementation of communism and the defense of their (supposed!) Implementors is the problem.
Tankies defend russia, a nazi state. While showing slurs at anyone in the western world. And calling them a nazi.
Tankies blindly salivate at what China is doing. Always explaining every horrific thing that had happened as a necessity. Then throwing slurs at anyone that disagrees. And banned when their logic is dismantled.
Tankies are defending NK. On lemmy disinfo nort korea normal people started on lemmy, precisely when they sent shells to russia.
Well said
Probably because Marxism is an inherently flawed political system, and every country that has ever attempted it has quickly become a hellhole.
Sure. They’re not far enough to the right for some of .world’s centrists, who are very upset that some people from .ml are outspoken opponents of genocide. And as such, they have for the third time designated an instance to be the “tankie instance” that they desperately want .world to defederate from. .world’s centrists will continue this until they have convinced the admins to defederate from .ml, at which point they will once again find a new instance to designate as “tankies” and start the pressure to remove it.
They consider .world’s neoliberalism to be the leftmost acceptable boundary of political thought, and will do anything to limit the discussion accordingly.
your “boycott” was already happening naturally because (ayk) lemmy.ml’s mods are insufferable
We need to call on more servers to defederate with lemmy.ml if we want more people to join the platform, I dont want my friends’ first experience of the platform to be a tankie post.
100% of the people that I’ve recommended Lemmy to have admonished me for even so much as having mentioned it, citing the extremist rhetoric that calls for violent upheaval of all capitalist systems in the Western world.
If I do a Google search (yuck I know), Lemmy.ml is the 4th hit, and the top hit for an actual instance. On it, the default view shows only Local posts so… yup, that’s what a day-1 noob would see, is that instance making fun of capitalism especially the USA.
From the actual top instance, Lemmy.World, those posts make up a significantly smaller percentage of the feed, but how would people know that? And they aren’t nothing either.
Also, blocking an instance from Lemmy does very little to curb the onslaught of toxicity from it: that merely mutes the communities hosted there, whereas the users are still free to harass you, triggering notifications, vote to influence the visibility of your content, etc. I was browsing All and made the mistake of replying to a comment in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net one day, and then did that again in lemmygrad.ml, and each time received replies for WEEKS and WEEKS afterwards. I almost quit the fediverse entirely:-(. Browsing from All, how was I supposed to know what those communities, or instances, were all about - was that truly “my” fault for being ignorant? Either way, I almost left, so I understand why none of the irl people I mention Lemmy to will stay either.
The people arguing against defederation are ignoring how users can be harassed here against their consent, and since no other alternatives are being made available on Lemmy to deal with the situation, defederation remains as the only option left.
(Side-note: PieFed does offer several intriguing alternatives, including showing the sidebar text below every post so that someone knows what the community standards are, even arriving at the post from All rather than going through the community page first, and labelling certain instances with special text, e.g. for Beehaw it says:
This post is hosted on beehaw.org which has higher standards of behaviour than most places. Be nice.
with that link to the exact text offered by the instance admins describing their alternative and unusual moderation practices in their own words; and another is in labelling users to allow democratization of moderation rather than a binary remove/retain decision - although while all of these experimental features are awesome, PieFed’s UI is quite a bit behind Lemmy’s so not quite ready for the masses.)
A hexbear user “called me out” in chapotraphouse for “transphobia” for a comment I made pointing out how insane it is that the hexbear team was calling the admin/mods of blahaj.zone “transphobic” – the admin and most of the mod team are actual trans people.
So I replied to the callout by saying I’m a landlord (I’m not) and asking how much I should charge for rent as a “card carrying leftist.” Replied to a few responses about how I’m a one of the good landlords and providing an essential service at a reasonable price.
My idea was to bait the worst offenders, and it worked. I waited for the replies to roll in, then blocked every single user that commented on that post. Anyone that DMed me about it got blocked too. A couple weeks later I blocked the hexbear and lemmygrad instances in my user settings.
It worked great and I haven’t had many issues since.
Haha, but I do note some problems with that approach. For one, it helps only you, leaving new users to have to repeat your success one by one. New users mostly in my experience won’t stick around long enough to even want to do so, and rather 100% of the people I’ve told have turned away from Lemmy in disgust.
For another, they’ll simply swap accounts and be back at it again. They proudly mention such inside the safety of their home instances - one person on lemmygrad.ml even mentioned that they will be building an app specifically for the purpose of using alts to avoid such blocks and defederations. No really means yes to them.
If anyone is curious, see e.g. the people from the Lemmy.ml instance talking in https://sh.itjust.works/post/26892196. I for one found it hilarious when they kept saying to hit up their DMs (bc their arguments could not stand the light of public inquiry and they knew it?:-P), then when I pointed that out, claimed that they had never done so and asked for proof - like I couldn’t read it happening within the very same post. But I get it, many people won’t bother to read or investigate anything at all, so those tricks really would work on a lazy reader i.e. an average Redditor. Case in point, the recent USA election thinking that Trump’s tariffs will somehow boost the economy, rather than tank it as happened during COVID where supply lines were so dramatically affected (which tbf would have happened anyway, but still the response was pretty lackluster and could have mitigated much of that if even minimal efforts had been expended).
I’d rather have .ml scaring shitlibs away while they stay on block, best of both worlds.
shitlib
tankie
Shitlibs, lol
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
I stand by every single comment that’s been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn’t have posted in the first place, but I’m happy to have y’all investigate my moderation history
ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that’s already been removed from a community I’m banned from, you’re an idiot. I literally can’t interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?
Thanks for posting that, I had no idea. Yikes. Time to find a new instance.
I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.
What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.
For clarity, the thread you are talking about was filled with reasonable discussion that you doubled down on ignoring. The biggest thing people took issue with is your insistence on having a negative opinion towards something you in the same breath admitted you lacked real knowledge of how the PRC works. There’s a difference between having an opinion based on strong investigation, and one made by vibes, something pointed out repeatedly to you.
If somebody so desperately wants me to support the second most powerful empire in the world the burden of proof is on them, not on me.
The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.
imagine saying shit like " I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree" and thinking you’re anti-fascist
But I am an anti fascist, just cause im a bloodthirsty bastard who thinks murder is a borderline panacea doesnt mean I am fascist. Fascism has some very notable ideological elements that do not apply to me. Also when I say want to kill someone unless they are in a position of power I want to beat them physically first so that I may break their beliefs, after all if they stop believing then they arent a fascist now are they.
Just cause you associate bloodthirst and antisocial tendencies with fascists doesnt make it an applicable element to me. Plus I loath authority too much to be an authoritarian, it is traditional amongst my kin to reject even our elders authority.
Tankies essentially have more in common with other fascists than they do other leftists.
I once joined a stalinist discord. 3 weeks later it was a community of trans-Hitlerites who required an ID to join.
Is it 100% accurate to write communism off as fascism hiding under leftist wool? No, not 100% accurate, but it sure saves a hell of a lot of time.
China pretending to be egalitarian is like Maga pretending to be pro-freedom.
The Winnie the Pooh stuff is just completely made up by Western propaganda. Also, how hard is “yellow face is racist”, when saying an Asian looks like a cartoon with yellow skin?
People don’t say Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh because Pooh is yellow, silly. They say it because he kinda looks like Winnie the Pooh
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Typical conservative sjw user /s
Banned starman2112 @sh.itjust.works from the community 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it
Thanks for the link and the laugh! 😂
It’s amusing to see the average user criticizing .ml while ignoring the bad behavior of others. LMAO!
Weirdo, why im not surprised at all 😂
Hey, uhm, I know you’re gonna react negatively to this, but could you answer me one simple yes or no question?
Are you pro-Russian?
And I’m of course against Russia but against Israel too you see
We have so much in common! I wish we had elected someone who wouldn’t simultaneously give Ukraine over to Russia, and ensure the total annihilation of the Palestinian people, and remove all access to gender affirming care for trans people in the country I live in.
But I guess the fact that I thought we should vote for the person who would kill fewer people means I support genocide, at least according to the 196 mod team
Explicitly mentioning it, despite already saying you support Ukraine. I like it. Thanks.
I should not explain my opinions/positions regarding this,
As a trans person, i cant be on the putin’s side you see ;)But, i hate to see things like “kill the russians” etc,
Do we accept “kill jews/israelien” ? No, and in good reason,
Why should we accept then the “kill all russians” etc ?Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always.
Who has said “kill all Russians”? Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)
I think it would be disingenuous to pretend like the majority of people are for massacring Israelis or Russians, when they’re clearly advocating for stopping the genocide in Gaza and Russia backing off from their attack on Ukraine. They broke international laws. Both of those parties, that is. That’s just… not on. Being against those actions and the people who perpetrated them doesn’t mean you’re advocating for “an eye for an eye” (a genocide for a genocide).
Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always
Who has said “kill all Russians”?
Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)I agree that the negative impacts of capitalism are significant, which may explain why some Mexican and Black voters support Trump. This phenomenon is perplexing to me, and I struggle to understand it.
Regarding hate speech, I want to address the troubling comments I’ve seen on platforms like Lemmy, where users have made statements such as “Time to kill more Russians.” This kind of rhetoric should not be tolerated, just as we do not accept antisemitism. It is essential to uphold a standard that rejects all forms of hate.
The problem is that these harmful comments often receive upvotes, which can mislead and confuse members of the Lemmy community, including its administrators. I frequently observe this dynamic at play.
Concerning the cries regarding such instances (ML, HB, LM), I believe that if these individuals are coherent in their beliefs, they should also oppose bigotry and racism, which can sometimes be found in other communities, such as on LW, Sopuli, etc.
There is clearly a lack of moderation in many instances, and this needs to be addressed to foster a more inclusive and respectful environment.
Nope,
I’m on the side of Ukrainian if you want to know 😑😐Good, good, just checking.
Haha I also like reason: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-users-or-groups doxing is not ok on lemmy.world
The thread is them saying they would punch nazis
That one was warranted. While I am in favor of doxxing nazis, I understand the legal imperative to nuke threads where nazis are getting doxxed
Seems like whataboutism. Stay on topic.
They’re very good at that. They’ve done the same elsewhere in this thread too, unsurprisingly.
You know people can see your moderation history right?
I genuinely didn’t. How do you check that? I want to see their excuse for banning me
Not sure if this link will work on any lemmy clients, but open it in the browser (modlog on lemmy.ml and filtered by your user ID):
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
Edit: I linked ml because I don’t know if modlogs federate over. E.g if lemmy.ml admin mod actions are visible on sh.itjust.works modlog page.
Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it’s super fascinating
Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn’t even know I was banned from 196 for… Defending genocide? Because I didn’t want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
All the recent .ml stuff is because of “rule 1,” and y’all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.
No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.
No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though
I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
The guys who’ve spent the last year telling the democrats “You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win” are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of “stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020”
It’s particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.
I agree that it’s the Democrats’ fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.
I didn’t say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn’t want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.
The people saying “Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout” are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.
Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.
One time, drag’s friend accidentally left his fly open in public. Drag wanted to save him the embarassment of having it open, and drag knew exactly what to do to help him.
So drag got up in front of everyone in the bar, shouted that the friend’s fly was open, and shared some dank memes making fun of him.
Drag’s friend claims that nobody from that night respects him anymore and drag is a terrible friend, but that’s nonsense. He’s the one who left his fly open, drag was just helping him avoid embarrassment.
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If Drag’s buddy spent 4 years telling drag “Zip up your fly, or you’re going to be thrown out”, and instead drag waves his Dick at everyone at the bar, it’s not Drag’s buddy’s fault. Nor is it the fault of everyone else at the bar for being repelled.
If Drag thinks everyone would have been OK with Drag waving his dick around non-consenting people, and that Drag’s buddy simply convinced everyone this was repellent behavior, that’s even more reason to listen to Drag’s buddy.
Checked both my account on lemm.ee and thelemmy.club, and its mostly clean.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=11745158 https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13547228
I’m honored to have learned about being banned from ML on this blessed day.
It works on Thunder!
Scroll all the way to the bottom and click mod log to search. or click the 3 vertical dots to see a specific users mod history.
It might be an instance thing, I don’t know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.
