I reported this comment but the admin didn’t remove it. Seem like obvious racism to me
It’s ignorant AF but probably not technically racist.
Lol. I did two tours over there. The people loved us. They loved the government. They loved the schools for women. The problem is culturally, they didn’t see a need to fight for it because of apathy. They figured “ISAF was always going to be here, so why need to fight for ourselves? And is ISAF isn’t here anymore, then we can’t support our selves, so why try?” As far as the schools go, they are voluntary. There are no truancy laws. They don’t even take attendance at most of the schools. It was completely up to the family if they wanted to send their boys OR their girls. Under pre-ISAF taliban the literacy rate was about 15% and at the time of withdrawal it was almost 40%. The people wanted to go to school, the taliban just didn’t let most of them or the schools that they did keep open were so severely limited in what they could teach.
The biggest red flag of this post, to me, is the use of the word Afghani. Any time someone says it with an ‘i’ at the end, you know they don’t know what they are talking about. Afghani is a currency, Afghan is a person.
The problem is culturally, they didn’t see a need to fight for it because of apathy.
Thank god we don’t have to worry about that happening he- err… fuck.
Apathy - the human constant
I mean, political apathy is pretty standard in any culture, and there’s no some doubt people - particularly women - enjoyed the wonders of progress and democracy, but there’s always been support for the Taliban as well. That’s how insurgencies work.
I wasn’t there, but it was mostly fought from within convoys and fortifications, and even when there’s contact you don’t usually tell the guys with guns if you think they’re crazy. Are you sure your sample of local opinion was representative?
I did human intelligence. It was literally my job to interact with the people. And we did. And not just to hear what they say to our face, but to get sources and find out what people say behind our backs too. I can, with high confidence, say that close to 90% of the population wanted the taliban gone. It was the other 10% that were the issue. And they were the very loud minority that news stations loved to interview just to claim “accurately showing both sides”.
Under taliban rule Afghanistan was economically devastated and the second poorest country in the world. They had one of the lowest literacy rates in the world. And they had no healthcare system to speak of other than what was gifted to them from Iran or Pakistan depending of what half of the country you were in. No to mention their lack of infrastructure with the not even completed one highway ring around the country.
That all changed under ISAF and the people noticed. And now their past is about to become their future.
Under pre-ISAF taliban the literacy rate was about 15% and at the time of withdrawal it was almost 40%.
The biggest red flag of this post, to me, is the use of the word Afghani. Any time someone says it with an ‘i’ at the end, you know they don’t know what they are talking about. Afghani is a currency, Afghan is a person.
Correlation is not causation, right?
Seem like obvious racism to me
No. Salad isn’t a race. So it is definitely an insult against the salad, but still not a racial one.
It is like, if I said that you must be a Us ameican, because you don’t know racism when you see it, then it is not racial, because Us america is no race, only a country.
If you make sweeping generalizations about an entire ethnic group, you might be a racist.
This smacks of racism justified by sham “facts.” The poster is ignorantly confident that their feelings on the subject are fact.
You know how we know this is not true? When the Taliban was suppressed they had schools for girls and nobody forced people at gunpoint to go to them. What did happen was people being forced at gunpoint to close them when the Taliban was given free reign again.
If you make sweeping generalizations about an entire ethnic group, you might be a racist.
Broadly speaking, sure. I think the “Afghanis didn’t want Americans holding their nation at gunpoint for two decades” is empirically well-proven, though.
The rest of the shit is just ahistorical nonsense. The primary appeal of the Taliban is rooted in their opposition to the secular warlords and opium cartel bosses who were backed by the US in place of civilian government. Just like in Iran, after the takeover by the Shah, urban liberals were either ingested into the American murder machine or exterminated as disloyal opposition. What opposition was left fell to rural religious conservatives who spent the next generation resisting the occupation.
When the Taliban was suppressed they had schools for girls and nobody forced people at gunpoint to go to them.
When the Taliban was suppressed, a few major cities had schools for the families of occupying soldiers and civilian bureaucrats. And some of the Afghanis were permitted to attend, as an incentive to remain compliant. The women and girls in the rural backwaters weren’t invited to these schools. The young boys weren’t invited either. The country was plundered, the bulk of the population subjugated, and individuals who resisted were arrested, tortured, and executed.
The idea that Kandahar was transformed into Boston under US occupation is absolutely farcical. Poverty was endemic during most of the US occupation, percipitating multiple famines during the '00s and '10s. 36% of the country experienced extreme poverty under US occupation. One in five children died under the age of five years old.
How Taliban insurgents initially managed to win support in those early years was by rebuilding the domestic supply lines that the '02 invasion had flattened. Only after they’d revitalized the western provinces could they shepherd the manpower to repeal western forces. And, in the end, it was those who could supply the bread that made the rules.
Wtf is this “it isn’t part of their culture !!!1!1!1!”. It wasn’t part of western culture either until ~150 years ago xD, it doesn’t mean that it’s good.
In America at least slaves often raised their own masters. It was an entire category of enslaved people: house slaves.
Much like the European aristocrasy and upper crust left their children to governesses and wet nurses to rub elbows with the rest of high society, so did the Big Whites of America and the Carribean.
Hear hear! Shaming Americans for their preference for unhealthy food is pretty racist.
I laughed at that part. I guess I might be part of the problem.
People look at me strange for eating veggies when there is terrible pizza to eat… I eat the pizza too, but I eat veggies first.
Terrorism, genocide, slavery , organzing coups, destoying countries are part of american culture
Oh the irony.
I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised. Making a whole post about a mod decision/lack of decision you disagree with is not polite behavior, even if OOP was a nut.
So you want to tolerate racism?
Don’t be kinkshaming.
It does seem like the kind of logical fallacies that racists adhere to, so it wouldn’t be surprising if the author is racist. However, there’s really not enough context here to say.
Here more of what he say
Kabul was always a lot more progressive because it’s a big city. The rest of the country is a bunch of goatfuckers in the mountains.
In the 1970s, when the communist revolution took place, the people of Afghanistan became increasingly restless due to all the reforms. They literally did not want progress. Then in the 2000s, the Americans tried to pick up where the soviets had left off… And as soon as they were gone, the Taliban was back. There was little resistance.
He even justified occupation citing that the occupiers was there to free the people from uncivilization like how the west justified occupation by calling other savages
Here the post where the comments come from
To be racist, it needs to be about race.
I can say everyone in Texas fucks cattle (they do), but that’s just bigotry based on where they live, not racism.
Are you saying that people from Afghanistan are a different race than their neighbors?
Or are you thinking maybe of culture, not race? Race isn’t a think you can’t change or choose. Culture is.
Racism also target ethenic groups. A culture is associated with ethrnic groups. That’s why it also apply in this context.
Will you also tell me that the genocide against indigenous people of america didn’t happen part of it because of racism?
Leaving out the goatfuckers but from the main post feels like burying the lead lmao. Thats cartoonishly racist.
goatfuckers
totally not racist at all
You build 10,000 bridges and no one calls you a bridge builder but if you fuck one goat
Maybe the Afghanis didn’t want to be a vassal state to the country that was invading them for 20 fucking years.
Crazy they don’t yearn for the boot.
God I hate these psuedo intellectual racist cunts.
Maybe the Afghanis didn’t want to be a vassal state to the country that was invading them for 20 fucking years.
Luckily, as every good campist knows, the holsum Taliban, definitely not an imperialist catspaw of Pakistan which has been invading them for 30 fucking years, is widely beloved by comparison.
I’m sure they’re much more happy under the very tolerant Taliban boot
While reactionary, it is the force that was resisting the occupation. Im sure the people that prefer them to a foreign occupier is higher than you think.
It probably is. I doubt many women feel that way though
Great, So you’ll join me in having an anti-imperialist stance so we don’t foment the most reactionary elements of a country.
Yeah I don’t think the US occupying the country was a good thing, I just don’t think the Taliban is better
I feel like it could be. It could also just be a remark that the people who live their preferred religious rule. Without more context it just seems like poorly worded critique.
I mean, it’s a bad comment, and plays on stereotypes, but not racial stereotypes. Downvotes are deserved (for both inaccuracy and stereotyping) but depending on community rules it might be within bounds.
He said their culture is like that as if the culture started by Taliban. This sound like racial stereotypes to me
Here other part of his comment
Kabul was always a lot more progressive because it’s a big city. The rest of the country is a bunch of goatfuckers in the mountains.
In the 1970s, when the communist revolution took place, the people of Afghanistan became increasingly restless due to all the reforms. They literally did not want progress. Then in the 2000s, the Americans tried to pick up where the soviets had left off… And as soon as they were gone, the Taliban was back. There was little resistance.
This is the same logic France and British justified their genocide of indigenous tribes. They was calling them savages and claimed to want to civilize them.
It’s so easy for someone in a democracy to say their is no resistance to Taliban because they agree with their ideology especially a country that had a civil war and was occupied twice
now see, if you had shared that part I would have responded very differently
yeah, that warrants removal
I mean, the Progressive Politics comm is run by campists who will accept any argument as long as it can loop back around to some form of critique of The West™. In that same thread is a commenter saying that violence is the only language those damn woman-educators understand.
Not sure why you expect them to remove this critique of the Western-backed Afghan government, regardless that it’s built on a racist premise. It’s against Bad Camp, after all!
I think it’s a not racist theory, with borderline supporting details.
If a new regime doesn’t match the existing culture, they will get resistance from the people.
Which could have been the case in Afghanistan, but I personally don’t know. Another commented that their examples are not true, and even if that is the case, there could still be other examples of a culture clash that WERE happening that would cause the same result, but again, I don’t know any more than what I hear from others.
Americans love salad almost as much as they love talking about rhubarb.
