Israel’s Knesset passed a resolution rejecting the establishment of a Palestinian state on Thursday.
The bill, co-sponsored by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition along with right-wing parties in the opposition, was passed by an overwhelming majority of 68 votes, with only nine MKs voting against it.
Benny Gantz, seen by many leaders in the West as a more moderate figure than Netanyahu, voted in favour of the bill, along with his party.
Russia isn’t claiming Ukraine is theirs.
That’s why, before invading, they formally recognized the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk from Ukraine.
They have since passed a bill annexing those areas, plus more, and even in the official “justification” for the war Russia clearly expects to be able to decide Ukraine’s foreign policy
And none of that means Russia is claiming Ukraine.
In fact, by recognizing Luhansk and Donetsk as independent countries, they were explicitly saying that Luhansk and Donetsk were not part of Russia.
It’s not the same situation as Taiwan or Palestine, where China and Israel respectively claim that those territories are theirs and include them on official maps.
Edit: Look at official maps of Russia from Russia. The annexed territories are shown as part of Russia, but the rest of Ukraine isn’t.
Edit 2: You guys, this isn’t a matter of opinion. You’re just misunderstanding the situation. “Territory X belongs to country Y” can depend on who you ask, but “Country Y claims territory X” is a simple fact that is either true or not.
They passed actual law saying otherwise almost two years ago. You are just making this up.
What, because there’s some of Ukraine left afterwards on the condition that it only does what Russia wants it to do?
The initial claim was that it was a land grab, which it absolutely is.
It’s only a simple fact if you look at maps and literally nothing else. A vassal state is not really independent, is it?
I am not.
https://amp.dw.com/en/russia-recognizes-independence-of-ukraine-separatist-regions/a-60861963
What I’m saying you’re making up is the intention behind the recognition, not the fact that Russia recognised the breakaway regions. We have seen Russia’s actions since the recognitions: invasion and annexation. You don’t annex places that you legitimately respect the independence of. That’s a blatant contradiction.
I’m not making up anything. And I’m blocking you.
Not only is this article 2 years old, it predates the entire invasion. You cannot possibly think this fact matters in the slightest right now, in the context that Russia parked their army in that territory and said “lol this is actually our land now.”
Yes, that’s what I said.
I said:
Again, the crux of your arguement is “Russia is not claiming Ukraine” and your support for this is actions taken in the past that are no longer relevant as they have been superseded by more recent activity.
You are basically arguing that Germany promised not to invade anyone else if they just got the Sudetenland while being fully aware that the rest of WWII happened. It doesn’t matter in the slightest that Russia totally said they love independent areas when again, their army is parked there and they passed a more recent law saying that territory is theirs. This is just bad faith arguing on behalf of an actor who very much does whatever benefits them at that exact second.
Look, you’ve accused me of lying, you’ve misrepresented what I say, you stubbornly refuse to understand what I’m saying, and you don’t seem to have any understand of the situation you’re passionately arguing about.
I’m just gonna block you.
They were boiling the frog by recognizing LPR and DPR prior to annexation, don’t be thick. You can read Putin’s speeches where he clearly states he believes that Ukraine is part of “Russkiy Mir”, not a real country.
Where am I being thick? What do you think I’m not understanding?
I don’t understand your objection to anything I’m saying.
Israel and China have somewhat understandable claims over West Bank/Gaza and Taiwan, which is why those are complicated situations. Russia makes no such claim over Ukraine.
The only reason they’re not claiming the whole of Ukraine at the moment is because they clearly lack the capability to take it and it benefits their info ops to portray Ukraine as the party that is unwilling to negotiate. It’s vranyo, a lie that nobody is supposed to actually believe but is used because it is convenient.
just give up and go back to hexbear or grad.
I don’t know what those are.
They have annexed huge parts of Ukraine. That’s called a land grab. That they don’t claim all of Ukraine is besides the point.
Russia has ALWAYS claimed that Ukraine is not a country and that it’s part of Russia. That’s what this whole war is all about.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-checking-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/
on 26 February, Surkov stated that “there is no Ukraine. There is Ukrainian-ness. That is, a specific disorder of the mind. An astonishing enthusiasm for ethnography, driven to the extreme.” Surkov went on to claim that Ukraine is “a muddle instead of a state. […] But there is no nation. There is only a brochure, ‘The Self-Styled Ukraine’, but there is no Ukraine.”
Vladimir Putin reportedly claimed that “Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? A part of its territory is [in] Eastern Europe, but a[nother] part, a considerable one, was a gift from us!”
Putin declared that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ancient Rus’ is our common source and we cannot live without each other.”
Lies repeated by other Russian puppets:
US President Donald Trump reportedly exclaimed that Ukraine “wasn’t a ‘real country,’ that it had always been a part of Russia”.
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Is a Tankie someone who believes facts?
There are many facts that tankies usually believe, and importantly many of those typically believed by them are known to be false.
I believe you’re never going to own a house.
Am I wrong about that?
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Removed, see the new Civility rules.
Quick question: Is “tankie” a pejorative?
I’m squishy on it. In general, talking about tankies in general is fine, using it to talk about other users is not.
Are you having a stroke?
Considering both of you flagged each other as bots, I think I can confirm that neither of you are bots.
I mean, it might be the new meta for bots to accuse others of being bots, right? Maybe we’re both bots.
And Zaporizhzhia and Kherson?
They were annexed by Russia from Ukraine (a country that Russia does not claim).
Yet Putin published an opinion that Ukraine is a modern fiction and should return to Russia. It isn’t official… just the geopolitical opinion of the dictator.