• nothingcorporate@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    “killed in surprise encounter” Makes it sound like he walked around a corner, saw them, and had a heart attack.

  • Grimy@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    “We finally caught him, now once all those pesky civilians are starved, we can start to heal.”

    Beginning of the end? jfc

    • The Octonaut@mander.xyz
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      As an Irish person, you can’t end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. “Kill the rebels” every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        1 hour ago

        This sound like survivorship bias. We got rid of plenty of terrorists with violence you just don’t know about them because they’re gone

        • The Octonaut@mander.xyz
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          51 minutes ago

          Well yes, the only way to erase a nation or culture’s hatred of your violence is with enough violence to literally genocide them.

          But there really aren’t that many. You just put it down for a generation until it comes back, usually with a different name.

        • The Octonaut@mander.xyz
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          53 minutes ago

          Stop making violence the only thing you’ll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland).

          It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the “both sides” of today - were on the fringe.

          Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are.

          The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten.

        • msage@programming.dev
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          1 hour ago

          Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that.

          But that would require actual good will.

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            Your fatal assumption is that the Palestinians want peace too. They were given pipes to create water lines, they turned the pipes into rockets. You can’t have piece when neither side wants it.

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      6 hours ago

      the future that you speaking of called “west bank” where “Israeli occupier” put bounty on “indigenous Palestinian” homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the “Israeli occupier” open carry guns threatening or shooting “indigenous Palestinian” and if the “indigenous Palestinian” fight back in any form “since they don’t have guns” they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on “Israeli sources”

      Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia.

      If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain “Palestine parts unknown” aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw

    • iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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      Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands…They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It’s an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off.

    • yesman@lemmy.world
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      I’m not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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        Gaza Strip wasn’t a very joyful time even before the war. It was ruled by extremist religious terrorists that would literally torture, rape and kill you for whatever reason (like being gay).

        People somehow conveniently ignore this.

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        14 hours ago

        Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven’t heard that from the Israelis.

      • speaker_hat@lemmy.one
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        He was the mastermind behind the Oct. 7th attack. The world is a better place without him.

        • Orbituary@lemmy.world
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          Nobody’s arguing that. His death being good and the continued eradication of the Palestinian people by the IDF and Israeli state can coexist.

          To be perfectly clear, since this is the internet and people can’t seem to have two concepts in their minds at once: The genocide of the Palestinian people needs to stop.

      • Don_Dickle@lemmy.world
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        15 hours ago

        I am probably out of the loop but how does one go about Identifying a Palestinian without shooting everyone?

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          14 hours ago

          Point your Tavor at them. If they run, they’re Hamas. If they don’t, they’re well-disciplined Hamas.

          • Don_Dickle@lemmy.world
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            12 hours ago

            Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run.

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          I think IDF also uses option B - explosives. Also very effective, since the only ones who get harmed by IDF weapons are Hamas, so everyone killed/harmed in the blast zone can safely be declared Hamas.

          /s

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      Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians.

      The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them.

      Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance.

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      14 hours ago

      Probably not the tens of thousands of murdered Palestinians. Homeless, without any future.

    • Mossy Feathers (They/Them)@pawb.social
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      11 hours ago

      Edit: I apologize for my cynicism, but I struggle to be hopeful about the prospects of Israel making peace with its surroundings nations and occupied territories.