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    Ah yes, right-wing authoritarianism that helped cause mass immigration from regional instability thanks to ignoring climate change and sowing global conflicts… Let’s just give the fox the keys to the henhouse.

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    Thanks to social media, youth unemployment, an uptick in asylum seekers, ballooning energy prices and oodles of nationalist right-wing cash, Macron is no longer the only politician with the regal ability to play Jupiter on TV. There are now a record 4,005 candidates running in the first round, with many fabled divinities to choose from.

    There’s your problem. Defund the rich.

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      It’s also the fault of neoliberal governments around the world for actively looking down on middle class people for not caring as much about the climate, refugees and other matters that you can care about when you actually have enough money to have the time to care about those things.

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        [Deep breath in…]

        Wealthy men that are perpetually insecure in life because their fathers didn’t show them any outward affection when they were children are blindly and joylessly driven to increase a bank balance that they couldn’t meaningfully decrease in a thousand lifetimes in the hope that it will make their fathers ghosts smile and pat them on the head (ghosts who don’t even put out the effort to haunt their children anyways)

        I’m dizzy, what just happened?

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          We’re all donating our time and attention to Lemmy, which is worth something even on a non-commercial site.

          But yes, some of us also help with the costs and chores. I appreciate everyone who does but I also appreciate everyone who makes this an interesting place worth chipping in for

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            Which is partially felt more because and is exacerbated by the fact that companies and their shareholders feel entitled to capture every drop of money you have, to the point that buying a pizza comes with the option to spread the cost over four months just in case there’s 10$ from a person that they could only capture by offering the option.

            I live half a planet away from America and even I’ve seen it. Disgusting.

            Remember when we looked at phone apps that cost more than .99 and thought the developers were greedy?

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            Why would anyone pay for viewing a website?

            Or to put it another way,

            Why would anyone pay for using a service that costs money to provide?

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              We were spoiled when the web started, but now that ad revenue has dried up, someone has to pay for hosting and content creators to eat.

              I’m not a fan of giving every website $5 a month, there has to be a better way.

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                Advertisers did it to themselves.

                Pop ups, pop unders, loud autoplay, focus stealing, taking up ungodly amounts of screen real estate, etc, etc.

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                I think the Brits have it right with BBC. It’s not perfect but everyone pays a tiny bit and it funds news and dedicated programming

                What we really need is to reinstate the Fairness Doctorine and stare straight at fox

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                  That’s what NPR and PBS were supposed to be, but they’re so perpetually underfunded that they’re almost commercial stations. edit: with corporate sponsors and viewer funding pledge drives.

                  Some public stations have been taken over by right wing orgs that came in with massive funding.

                  Gift link to SF Chronicle article
                  archived version

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            Why would anyone provide content for free? Everyone needs to be paid for their work.

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              It doesn’t necessarily have to be ‘work’, people used to make websites out of passion. Now everyone wants to monetize everything.

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                I feel like this is a dialectic that has been endorsed by the ruling class when talking about menial jobs. ‘Now nobody wants to work’ and whatnot

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                It is always work even if it’s a passion project.

                People used to make shitty websites with good content but now they need to make good, professional looking websites for people to even look at them to decide on the whether the content was good.

                This takes time and if you’re doing it for free then you’re choosing to do extra work on top of your day job.

                As others have said, there are costs to hosting a website other than the time that you’re expecting people to give for free.

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              This is one of the reasons I left Reddit. Sure everyone needs to be paid for their work but it gets a little more suspect when I donate my time and attention, and it is monetized, and I still have to deal with too many ads

              And someone who does NOT deserve to be paid is the “journalist” who writes those articles “LoveBunny68 on social media site Reddit said ….”. I guess I hope that is some sort of automation because no one deserves to be paid for that and I imagine an actual writer ready to commit suicide if stuck writing those

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        I asked chatgpt & it said this: " The internet can feel overwhelming or negative at times due to various factors like misinformation, toxicity in online communities, and the sheer volume of content. It’s important to curate your online experience by choosing reliable sources and engaging in positive communities that align with your interests and values. Taking breaks from the internet or limiting exposure to certain types of content can also help maintain a healthier online experience. Don’t share sensitive info. Chats may be reviewed and used to train our models. Learn more ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info. " I think that a better answer might have something to do with commercial interests.

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      I think a quick look overseas will show you it’s migrants, the queer community, women, and to a certain extent any intellectual. Now where have I seen this before.

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    The French political system, casually referred to as the “Republic of Friends,”

    Where does the author get this? I’m French and have never heard of our system called as such - especially not by a French person.

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    …the French, in principle, rarely distinguish between fact and impression.

    The author comes out swinging and still manages to bore quickly.

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    What’s (not) funny is that the French far right is just slightly to the left of the US Republicans.

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    How is it France falling to this? Don’t they riot every other month about government bullshit?

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      We went to the streets for months against the new retirement system and they’ve beaten the shit ouf of us. We couldn’t make us heard by a so called democratic and moderate government. Not a big surprise that a lot of people are trying another way. No excuse for them to be fascists assholes. But Macron is carrying an heavy responsibility for the current situation.

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        Ok so forgive my ignorance but if they’re trying to overturn government decisions that are a burden on everyone, why are they fascist?

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          Because people are dumb. A lot of them don’t even realize these people are really fascists, because for them fascism was an ideology that did evil things for the sake of evil, and the moment they had a semi-reasonable explanation why they hated minorities, people believed them. Also they’re avoiding classic signifiers of fascism, like swastikas, fasceses, and calling themselves fascists.

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          They are not even trying to overturn the decision. The far right has consistently walked back on every social mesure they had in the past 2 weeks to the surprise of noone who knows what right means.

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      Yeah but s lot of those are self serving right wing ideals, for some reason everyone ignored this and just assumed the old revolution was ongoing. I guess like people who still talk about Russia as communist

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    I hope they really don’t like the ruzzians. That way, when the time comes, they can be properly utilized and disposed of…“guys why are there so many seeds in our uniforms? I don’t get it”…

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        All of the western democracies are telling their people the reason their quality of life is declining is due to immigrants and the disabled and poor. A lot of people seem to believe them. I agree its about inequality and bringing the far right in will only accelerate the process.

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        Right, I see your point. I also wonder sometimes if the excess of social media consumption and the battle to gobble more eye balls has somehow influenced people making them more susceptible to manipulation via charisma and populist opinions, I’m not sure how different it is nowadays than a couple of decades back. I might be wrong about this anyways

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      Macron made an irresponsible gamble, at the worst possible timing, without taking in account his current lack of popularity. To no one surprise it blown up in his face.

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          Basically, his party got beaten so badly at the European elections (barely got half of the far-right votes, and almost got the third position after the Socialist), that he decided to trigger a “Dissolution”, which literally stop the current assembly mandate and call for flash-election. His gamble was to make himself the only alternative to the far-right by counting on the left division and the fear of the far right…
          Which blown up to his face since the left kinda united itself and the far right still got a good advance. Even worse, this time its party got third by a long shot, and may loose a lot of its seats at the National Assembly.

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            Okay, I think I saw this somewhere but I didn’t really read further into it

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    If you cant handle a democratic election not going your way, maybe you dont belong in politics.

    And maybe you shouldve curbed immigration instead of making it a wedge issue, and only having the far right party be for curbing it. Just a thought

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        I thought that was a Mexican border only thing, turns out European leaders do the same shitty fear monger

        I guarantee every coastie wants to rescue live folks, color doesn’t matter in the sea. It’s the politicians saying no to human lives

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          Yeah, I know all about that, they use the " brown immigrants are terrorists" in my country too in order to exploit people’s latent racism.

          To have a point you’d have to compare those instances to violence by Europeans against eachother, by being selective you’re feeding a narrative that brown immigrants are more violent than Europeans. That’s already been demonstrated to be false. You’re being manipulated by fascists.

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            Alright, name the 122 terrorist attacks made by Europeans since 2015. Ill wait.

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              So, even if we assume those 122 attacks were committed by immigrants, how does that compare to violent crimes committed by Europeans themselves? 122 incidents over 9 years is remarkably low for a single demographic. How many bad actors is that per event? How many immigrants are there total and how many committed these crimes?

              It’s racist fear mongering.

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                I said terrorist attacks, not violent crimes. Dont move the goal posts

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                  No ones moving goal posts. Give a ballpark of how many immigrants were involved in those 122 attacks.

                  You’re making the argument that brown immigrants are more dangerous than Europeans and you’re then trying to exclude all types of violent crime except that labeled terror attacks to obfuscate the reality that immigrants are statistically no more dangerous than Europeans themselves. It’s dishonest.

                  Even in terms of terrorism, the majority has historically been committed by domestic groups (ex. nationalists, political extremists, separatists etc.), not immigrants. Again, this is very similar to my own country where domestic terrorism is actually the greater threat than that from immigrants.

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        Or the everyone is just ignoring the issue.

        Rhetorically because this conversation is going to go nowhere. What would need to happen for immigration to actually be an issue?

        Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

        A lot of people, usually the rich that own businesses and land and can make money off immigration, say it’s not a problem. I think rather than choosing a side and ignoring the issues people should wonder what would be a bad outcome then looking at things after.

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          The rich making money off immigration isn’t an issue with the immigrants, it’s that we don’t force companies to pay all their workers the same wage, regardless of status. That’s a regulatory problem, not an immigration problem.

          Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

          None of this is related to immigration. Immigrants aren’t raising housing prices. With crime you have to actually prove that that’s immigrants committing more crimes than Europeans and what kind of crime. They call brown immigrants criminals and rapists here too, and it’s simply not true, they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens.

          You have to understand that this is a pattern we see over, and over throughout history; when fascists want to seize control they blame immigrants for all of socieyies woes. And they do so only with rhetoric or twisted facts, not the truth.

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            You never really answered the question though. What would have to happen for immigration to be a problem in your eyes? I’m just trying to get you to open you mind rather than sitting on your team. Look at the situation objectively first.

            No its basic supply and demand for both wages and for housing. If you have a limited supply and demand increases prices can only increase. Is supply increases and demand the same wages go down.

            Denmark has run the numbers for crime by country of origin which is direct proof. But then places like Sweden also have indirect proof like now having to keep a record of grenade attacks when they didn’t 20+ years ago.

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              It’s a real wonder why people with less possibilities can become influenced by crime, regardless of birthplace, and still countries push new residents into those situations

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                You mean bringing in people like that.

                A country could you know. Not bring them in. Issue is solved then.

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                  You mean bringing in people like that.

                  There is so much in this sentence to unpack im not sure where to begin.

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                  Not bring who in? What’s the deciding factor, precogs evaluating if someone does crime in the future? Not bring people who are born there and already stuck in lower classes. The problems don’t care about immigration, it’s the bourgeoisie waging class warfare.

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      Politics aren’t a game with winners and losers. When fascists rise to power, it’s not like in a soccer game where you say “well, better luck next year”.

      People’s lives are on the line, and people might literally die fighting this shit soon. The idea that politics are a gentleman’s gentle verbal jousting club is pretty ridiculous.

      About your enlightened centrist take about immigration… It’s never going to appease racists. What you suggest is exactly what France’s UMP and what Macron have done. Look where we are now.